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Defednding MM Rush

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EnvYStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States58 Posts
July 03 2011 00:39 GMT
#1
I am a bronze level protoss player is need of some help.

I am comfortable playing zerg and protoss but not so much against Terran. For some reason I cannot defend the Marine marauder push. I always get outnumbered early game. What can I do to stop the M&M rush?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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samgold
Profile Joined April 2011
United States30 Posts
July 03 2011 00:44 GMT
#2
There are many different factors when it comes to defending a rush. I would upload a replay to help everyone see what you might be doing wrong.
EnvYStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States58 Posts
July 03 2011 00:52 GMT
#3
This is the link to the replay is http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/7840

Thank you to all those who may help me!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 01:16:47
July 03 2011 01:05 GMT
#4
You don't provide much info. I'm gonna quote MC:
Marauder damage
Zealot defense
Stalker attack
but Sentry Forcefield Forcefield
Marauder... cage
Marauder die die


:D

Edit: I watched the replay.
1. Don't EVER do this type of wall vs Terran (it's used vs Z), it's unnecessary. It's more likely it's against you.
2. You only had 1 zealot when he attacked.
3. You probably could get gates faster.
4. Do as the above quote.
EnvYStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States58 Posts
July 03 2011 01:19 GMT
#5
Ok Thank you.

If i may ask why should I only do that wall off against zerg and not terran or protoss. Am I at a disadvantage? Sorry for the question just trying to learn
Korinai
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada413 Posts
July 03 2011 01:22 GMT
#6
There's no need to wall vs terran or protoss, they're not going to have 30 zerglings running into your base.
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 03 2011 01:23 GMT
#7
On July 03 2011 10:19 Legen wrote:
Ok Thank you.

If i may ask why should I only do that wall off against zerg and not terran or protoss. Am I at a disadvantage? Sorry for the question just trying to learn


First, I'm only diamond, so I don't guarantee everything I say is correct.
As far as I know though, this wall is useful only vs Zerg because you handle zerg/ling rush easier. However, you don't need it vs marines/marauders because they can hit your buildings from low ground. If you also happen to have mostly zealots, you may be screwed because of the tightness of this wall.
EnvYStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States58 Posts
July 03 2011 01:26 GMT
#8
^^ that makes sense, TY to everyone who has helped me out so far. Hopefully I can figure this marauder rush.

JoFritzMD
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia163 Posts
July 03 2011 02:17 GMT
#9
I read a guide somewhere on these forums (that I can't seem to find right now) that said that 4 sentries + zealots and a few stalkers is what you need to defend the MM early pressure.
That sentry number has been perfect for me so far and I haven't lost a game to early MM pressure since I started using that sentry number.
"Guess what. All my strategies are made of balls." - Tasteless
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 03:45:10
July 03 2011 03:44 GMT
#10
On July 03 2011 11:17 JoFritzMD wrote:
I read a guide somewhere on these forums (that I can't seem to find right now) that said that 4 sentries + zealots and a few stalkers is what you need to defend the MM early pressure.
That sentry number has been perfect for me so far and I haven't lost a game to early MM pressure since I started using that sentry number.

I think ~6 sentries is ideal if you can get away with it. 3gate expand is best done with 1 zealot + 5sentry + stalker or 6sentry, then make stalkers. Generally early game if you're sentry heavy you want to have either zealot sentry or stalker sentry but not both, because you ff differently with zealot sentry than with stalker sentry.
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EnvYStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States58 Posts
July 03 2011 10:54 GMT
#11
Thank you all for the responses. I hope this does the trick!
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