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Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 14:09:40
June 29 2011 01:53 GMT
#1
EDIT: Replays of my tournament fail here

Game 1
Game 2

(Please excuse the fact that the replays were from two different upload sites. I realised that sc2replayed didn't really let me list "GSL Crevasse" in the map field, so I used replayfu instead.

MONDAY:

I played in a small tournament for a laugh. I was up against a Master level Protoss player, and luckily, TvP was my strongest matchup.

I lost 2 - 0. But here's why.

Game 1: Shakuras Plateau - I did some really unorthodox cheese and attempted to proxy 3 rax pressure him with marines, however, he kept sniping them with Stalkers on the midfield. What eventually resulted was a 3 gate robo push which I could definitely not hold.

Game 2: GSL Crevasse - Started off with a 2 rax gasless expand into heavy bio. He did a huge blink stalker push which I had to use SCVs to fend off as well as my remaining Marauders. I just about held with huge worker casualties, and was behind economically for the rest of the game.

He attacked again with a chargelot drop which I fended off with workers and rauders again. However, me being the stupid idiot that I was didn't re-rally my workers back to mine. I checked my base a few minutes later, saw workers standing idle, stupidly presumed that my main was mined out so I sent them to my fourth, on the other side of the map.

Several army clashes later, he prevailed with an insane amount of storms. I couldn't hold both because my economy was very weak, he had High Templar spamming storms everywhere I dared go and Feedbacking every single medivac I had, and because I didn't make a Ghost Academy at all.

On the plus side, I did get 3 - 3 upgrades, stim, concussive shells and combat shields, which is better than nothing I suppose.

TUESDAY:

After doing some games with a Terran practice partner and attempting a TvZ where a few people on the reddit channel tried to advise me on what to do, I realised how much I sucked at Terran and their huge macro requirements. I attempted to play like this again in another TvZ on ladder, which lasted into the late game and resulted in my marine tank army constantly being sniped in pushes as a result of both my awful micro and meeting waves of banelings, speedlings, mutas and infestors hurtling towards me.

I am having doubts if I should even be playing Terran now or if I should either switch back to Zerg or play Protoss. I hate playing the tank marine style because I'm no good at utilising it in combat but at the same time, I realise that I can only really effectively use a heavy bio style against Protoss, meaning I'd be weak in TvT and TvZ. Plus my macro is alright but kinda flawed and I am not exactly great at knowing which build orders to do and transitions either.

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wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
June 29 2011 01:56 GMT
#2
In regards to a race don't go by how good you are at a race, go by how much you enjoy it. Look at it this way. It's easy to learn how to become skilled at Terran. It's the hardest thing in the world to learn how to enjoy playing Terran if you hate it. It also factors into general motivation and ambition, you aren't going to want to practice or pursue the game if you don't enjoy playing your race.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 02:00:22
June 29 2011 01:58 GMT
#3
On June 29 2011 10:56 wonderwall wrote:
In regards to a race don't go by how good you are at a race, go by how much you enjoy it. Look at it this way. It's easy to learn how to become skilled at Terran. It's the hardest thing in the world to learn how to enjoy playing Terran if you hate it. It also factors into general motivation and ambition, you aren't going to want to practice or pursue the game if you don't enjoy playing your race.


Don't get me wrong, I don't hate playing Terran. I just hate playing a mech or biomech style as Terran. But sadly, I can't just go heavy bio in Zerg or even mirror matchups. Higher tech units wound destroy me in the mid to late game. Plus there's the issue of TvT being like a monobattle involving just tanks.

Matchup complaints aside, I am bearing this in mind. I do like Terran but only the use of pure bio perhaps with medivacs to back up too.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
June 29 2011 02:01 GMT
#4
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate playing Terran. I just hate playing a mech or biomech style as Terran. But sadly, I can't just go heavy bio in Zerg or even mirror matchups. Higher tech units wound destroy me in the mid to late game. Plus there's the issue of TvT being like a monobattle involving just tanks.


Then I'd say go by which race's mirror match up you enjoy the most. The way I see it the mirror matchup uses only the units you'll be working with when you play, if you can't enjoy that then don't expect to enjoy the other matchups.

Though Terran is notable for tanks being atrocious for newer players to use. They require a good understanding of positioning and game sense to be able to use correctly. However just like everything else they are a skill. You eventually become adept at tank usage and it feels good.

I'd personally just play 50 games or so as each race on ladder and see what happens.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
June 29 2011 02:27 GMT
#5
On June 29 2011 11:01 wonderwall wrote:
Show nested quote +
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate playing Terran. I just hate playing a mech or biomech style as Terran. But sadly, I can't just go heavy bio in Zerg or even mirror matchups. Higher tech units wound destroy me in the mid to late game. Plus there's the issue of TvT being like a monobattle involving just tanks.


Then I'd say go by which race's mirror match up you enjoy the most. The way I see it the mirror matchup uses only the units you'll be working with when you play, if you can't enjoy that then don't expect to enjoy the other matchups.

Though Terran is notable for tanks being atrocious for newer players to use. They require a good understanding of positioning and game sense to be able to use correctly. However just like everything else they are a skill. You eventually become adept at tank usage and it feels good.

I'd personally just play 50 games or so as each race on ladder and see what happens.


That would be Terran then. I just find TvT far better than PvP or ZvZ.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
June 29 2011 14:10 GMT
#6
NOTE: Added the replays of my tournament failure in the first post now.
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