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GAAAAH i hate xelnaga caverns

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ChronoCat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 13:24:28
June 21 2011 13:21 GMT
#1
Don't worry, this isn't a map balance whine blogpost...

Basically I'm playing SC2 on a pretty low-end PC, and lowest settings are all I can play this game on. I get a pretty decent FPS in a normal scenario (about 40-60 FPS, around 30ish during huge battles) but on xel'naga, especially the middle area, it drops my FPS to no end. I know I'm not the only person having this problem as a lot of other players using low-end PCs get massive FPS drops as well on this map.

I don't mind the map at all; In fact I do pretty well on it most of the time. But if I try to do anything other than A-moving on the map, especially when the game goes longer and I have to expand to the gold, it lags so much that it throws me off my game. Heck, I can't even spread creep properly when the tumours get close to the middle of the map. It's annoying really.

Knowing that blizzard will never fix this by removing the random "lightning" special effects in the middle of the map or whatever it is that's causing xel'naga to lag the shit out of my PC, the simplest solution would be for me to veto the map for 1v1 ladder. The problem is, I already have backwater, slag pits, and delta veto'd. Truth be told, I haven't played much on those maps ('cept DQ lol), but apparently they're horrible maps, so I just went with the flow and veto'd them like everyone else lol.

Now my question is: Do you people think I should bear with the screen lag on xelnaga, or should I veto it for another map? If so, which map would be the most logical choice? I'm a plat zerg if that might help in any way.

Thanks!

Poll: What do?

un-veto backwater gulch (13)
 
59%

Stick with xel'naga, a-move solves all FPS issues (3)
 
14%

other (state in your post) (3)
 
14%

un-veto delta quadrant (2)
 
9%

un-veto slag pits (1)
 
5%

22 total votes

Your vote: What do?

(Vote): Stick with xel'naga, a-move solves all FPS issues
(Vote): un-veto backwater gulch
(Vote): un-veto slag pits
(Vote): un-veto delta quadrant
(Vote): other (state in your post)



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Khazroul
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 13:25:45
June 21 2011 13:25 GMT
#2
As a zerg I'd probably say backwater if you feel you can't deal with XNC lag and it's losing you games.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
June 21 2011 13:33 GMT
#3
Backwater Gulch isn't that bad since they changes the ramp to the natural
Romanes eunt domus
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
June 21 2011 13:35 GMT
#4
What league are you? If you're diamond and higher I think it's safe to unveto slag pits as everyone else will have it vetoed.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 21 2011 13:38 GMT
#5
I like backwater gultch and a-move does not solve anything lol.
but what the person above me said is funny and true.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
brokenhorse
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom3 Posts
June 21 2011 14:02 GMT
#6
play better
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
June 21 2011 14:04 GMT
#7
Backwater gulch is pretty okay for zerg imo.
If you really don't like XNC for the lag, unveto backwater
(Damn I hate Slagpits)
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
June 21 2011 14:12 GMT
#8
I voted for other, upgrade ur system.
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 21 2011 14:30 GMT
#9
(Zerg player) Backwater Gulch is actually a decent map for me. It's personal preference, some players can't stand it but I can find no fault in it after learning the nuances of the map.

I have to ask, are your graphics on the lowest settings? Even pro's use low settings so an otherwise fantastic computer doesn't lock up when huge armies clash against each other.

For the time being, I'd just unveto backwater, it isthe best choice out of the selection. And if you haven't already, lower your graphics settings. But I'd think about getting some upgrades for your computer. Tech support on TL are very helpful and you can learn how to upgrade prebought computers. Good luck ^^
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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
June 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#10
I share your pain mate. I can barely run this game on low and Xel'Naga is the one map I love to play in, but yet can't play in thanks to the drop in FPS to no end at the middle of it :/
I vetoed it and left delta-quadrant open
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jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
June 21 2011 16:14 GMT
#11
On June 21 2011 23:12 altered wrote:
I voted for other, upgrade ur system.


This.

I don't know your financial situation, but it really doesn't cost that much to get a computer that can play SC2 on low settings just fine. Hell, I paid a ton for my gaming laptop a couple years ago, and now it's already weaker than laptops that are half the price.

Hold a fundraiser if you have to. Set up a gamer gathering and sell pizza by the slice
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ChronoCat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
266 Posts
June 21 2011 16:28 GMT
#12
I'm still living off of my parents' money, so as of right now I don't intend on using anymore of their money to get a new machine.

I'll definitely look into getting a better computer when the time is right, but as of now, I guess I'll play on backwater since most people voted that. As bad as my PC is, it still runs SC2 at a very playable framerate, but xel'naga caverns if of course a completely different story.

Thanks for the help guys!
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