• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:51
CEST 03:51
KST 10:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A Data needed
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2252 users

Looking Back at SC2 Early Beta Through Polls

Blogs > Sc1pio
Post a Reply
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 19:42:33
June 20 2011 19:42 GMT
#1
SC2 beta came out in February of 2010, just as TSL2 was wrapping up. Naturally, TL picked up coverage of how the beta was developing.

Shortly after the release of the beta, TL asked its users what the most imbalanced unit in the game was. Keep in mind that some of these units have changed barely at all, while some have changed greatly. While the roach has seen little change as of late, during the beta it was patched several times, the most infamously changing its supply cost from 1 to 2, as well as having its rapid regenration ability only work while burrowed. However, places 2-4 have seen significantly less change, especially the mutalisk. The major change to the colossus after a slight damage nerf was making it fire faster while turning down the amount of damage per swipe (keeping the DPS exactly the same, however), while the immortal has only seen one change through SC2s history, a build time increase of 15 seconds.

March 19th saw the first "What league are you?" poll. Beta keys were notoriously difficult to get back then (I begged a friend for a friend invite, myself), so the 56% figure of those who said they did not have a key was very unsurprising. What may surprise newer users, however, is the lack of diamond league and the addition of copper league. For some reason, Blizzard felt that they needed to get rid of copper and shift every league down one. For a while, being platinum league meant you were part of the best group of SC2 players, whereas now all it means is that you can't macro.

The most interesting beta poll, in my opinion, was the "What is your favorite map?" poll. The difference between the beta map pool (besides the short inclusion of the laughable Inceneration Zone) and release was the addition of Delta Quadrant and Xel'Naga caverns on release day. Note that maps we now laugh at in terms of how bad they were top the poll. Lost Temple being number one is unsurprising, considering the history of that map in Blizzard RTS games. However, Steppes of War being number two is a hilarious relic of the fact that 1basing was the major playstyle of the time.

The last early beta poll to note is the "What is your biggest worry with SC2?" poll. Number one is the lack of a highground advantage. SC1 featured a percent chance of missing an attack when attacking higher ground, while SC2's only advantage was that no sight was given. TL wrote an article on how this was a huge piece missing from the puzzle of the game, which is why it tops this poll. Obviously balance is a huge concern for all, but number three, that is lack of unit control, was another big criticism of the game back then. It was (and still is by some people) viewed as a game of ball vs. ball, where each player took what units they had and a-moved with little exception (minimal sentry use, maybe ghosts). The game has evolved slightly, but this still could be a concern for how SC2 plays out.

*****
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9803 Posts
June 20 2011 19:49 GMT
#2
I haven't played SC2 for a while, but I'm assuming everything but the last poll's changed now right?

And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what diamond is now, I believe.
boomer hands
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
June 20 2011 19:52 GMT
#3
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
I haven't played SC2 for a while, but I'm assuming everything but the last poll's changed now right?

And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what diamond is now, I believe.


Platinum was the highest league...
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
June 20 2011 19:52 GMT
#4
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what masters is now, I believe.


FYP
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
June 20 2011 19:53 GMT
#5
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
I haven't played SC2 for a while, but I'm assuming everything but the last poll's changed now right?

And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what diamond is now, I believe.


I was a solid 1600 ICCup player and I'm masters now, so it's not terribly difficult to get this high.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
June 20 2011 19:54 GMT
#6
On June 21 2011 04:52 skindzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what masters is now, I believe.


FYP



Platinum was the same as modern Diamond + Masters + Grandmasters. It made up over 10% of the player base, if I recall correctly.

They changed it because they said Bronze and Copper were too similar. I remember initially there was a bit of a backlash against it, haha.
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
June 20 2011 19:54 GMT
#7
Heh jeez. I almost forgot how hated roaches were for a short while in beta.


PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
June 20 2011 19:58 GMT
#8
aww no polls about 60 second Warp Gate research time. That was the best.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 20:02:58
June 20 2011 20:02 GMT
#9
Hahaha oh man Metalopolis below Blistering Sands and Steppes of War. That's a massive /facepalm
lalala
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 20 2011 20:19 GMT
#10
These are very interesting.
I was in platinum.
Still in platinum

Man i used to hate roaches.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
June 20 2011 20:47 GMT
#11
Most people don't know the difference between copper and bronze. Bronze = Copper + Tin, c'mon now, didn't you guys play RuneScape? That's why they got rid of it though, when people were talking to each other they would mix the 2 up not knowing which was actually lower.
Wahaha
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany830 Posts
June 20 2011 20:53 GMT
#12
On June 21 2011 05:47 aike wrote:
Most people don't know the difference between copper and bronze. Bronze = Copper + Tin, c'mon now, didn't you guys play RuneScape? That's why they got rid of it though, when people were talking to each other they would mix the 2 up not knowing which was actually lower.


I always thought they changed it because the name could be taken to negatively, and it was more a namechange to make players in lower leagues feel better
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
June 20 2011 21:24 GMT
#13
Anyone remember how Scrap Station was one of the favorite "balanced" maps for macro games?
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
June 20 2011 21:28 GMT
#14
1 supply 2 armor roaches were amazing....ah, those were the days. huge macro games on metalopolis, lose your entire zerg army and instantly remake 100 roaches in what...3 key strokes?
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
June 20 2011 21:47 GMT
#15
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
I haven't played SC2 for a while, but I'm assuming everything but the last poll's changed now right?

And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what diamond is now, I believe.


nah, d is like masters, diamond is d- sc2 is just so easier when it comes to the ranks
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 00:23:54
June 21 2011 00:14 GMT
#16
Yeah, Mutalisks were imbalanced as all bloody hell before they added the Thor's splash damage, and gave Phoenixes the ability to kite. Any early Muta build was pretty much guaranteed to succeed. Of course, most Zerg had a serious boner for the Roach/Hydra ball (while simultaneously complaining how boring the race was to play...). Immortals were just hilariously overpowered with the short build-time, too. You could just crush your way through a Terran's bunker defense with minimal effort. I'm surprised the early Immortal push tactic hasn't made a comeback as people have gotten more comfortable and greedy with their expansions. I guess 4-Gating is just much easier to pull off.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 21 2011 00:44 GMT
#17
Why was Metalopolis hated? Surely even back then people liked the bigger maps?
(I wasn't around)
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
June 21 2011 04:02 GMT
#18
On June 21 2011 09:44 MCDayC wrote:
Why was Metalopolis hated? Surely even back then people liked the bigger maps?
(I wasn't around)


It wasn't that people hated Metalopolis, they just liked the other maps they voted for (read: What is your favorite map?) more than it, mostly due to how games played out at that point in time (very 1basey, rarely getting to three base or more).
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 21 2011 04:05 GMT
#19
On June 21 2011 06:47 thOr6136 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
I haven't played SC2 for a while, but I'm assuming everything but the last poll's changed now right?

And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what diamond is now, I believe.


nah, d is like masters, diamond is d- sc2 is just so easier when it comes to the ranks

There is really no point in comparison - I was C- ~ in scbw, and in sc2 I'm high diamond.

But I don't cheese very much, so maybe there is that.
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 11:37:34
June 21 2011 11:36 GMT
#20
On June 21 2011 13:05 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 06:47 thOr6136 wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:49 seRapH wrote:
I haven't played SC2 for a while, but I'm assuming everything but the last poll's changed now right?

And platinum wasn't considered the best of the best back then either, it was still D/D+ from iccup, similar to what diamond is now, I believe.


nah, d is like masters, diamond is d- sc2 is just so easier when it comes to the ranks

There is really no point in comparison - I was C- ~ in scbw, and in sc2 I'm high diamond.

But I don't cheese very much, so maybe there is that.


Nah, cheese has nothing to do with it (sure it gets you higher easier but doesn't really matter imo). But c- in bw and not being masters damn i don't understand that :S Well, i guess its a different game but still, bw is just SO MUCH harder. Maybe you just don't play the same amount of games as you did before and not really focusing on sc2 so much?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
22:00
5.4k Patch Clash #16
davetesta32
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft365
RuFF_SC2 201
Nina 35
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 80
NaDa 27
Dota 2
monkeys_forever522
League of Legends
JimRising 556
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe95
amsayoshi34
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor156
Other Games
gofns15881
tarik_tv9030
hungrybox1102
ViBE138
Mew2King26
Livibee23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick739
BasetradeTV215
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 43
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3960
Other Games
• Scarra1039
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 9m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
9h 9m
Ladder Legends
13h 9m
IPSL
14h 9m
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
BSL
17h 9m
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
CranKy Ducklings
22h 9m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Wardi Open
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 14h
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.