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My first broodwar experience

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imjorman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States580 Posts
June 17 2011 16:27 GMT
#1
So I downloaded broodwar from ICCUP today thinking it would be a fun thing to do since I don't have a whole lot of time to spend at my computer today.

omg is it hard.

After trying to find a game and getting banned from a few lobbies, I decided it would be best anyway to play a game against the computer. I played a zerg computer and I was terran. I decided to go for a double starport build I found on the broodwar site of liquipedia.

I built my cute bases and huge supply depots, and got together what I thought was a formidable army. I spent forever trying to find the other guys base because I randomly picked a map and had no idea what to expect.

Have I mentioned that I thought this game was hard.

The computer had SO MUCH STUFF. It was crazy. I got rofl stopped on like three separate engagements. Then the army came to my base and LOL'd me.

Needless to say, this game is difficult to play and its something that in my free time I'll definitely be working on.

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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 17 2011 16:32 GMT
#2
Yeah, the AI is a lot harder to play against in BW compared to SC2.

The BW AI has maphacks, so he can see everything you have everywhere you go. It takes quite a bit of practice of a specific build before it can beat the bot.
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Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
June 17 2011 16:36 GMT
#3
2 port probably isnt a build you want to do as a beginner lol
lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
June 17 2011 16:37 GMT
#4
just wait until they 4pool rush you :D
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DerNebel
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark648 Posts
June 17 2011 16:40 GMT
#5
The BW AI feels hard at first, but it can be beat after a bit of practics. Just wait until you get an online game going...

But it's fun as all hell this game. Be careful it might steal your life.
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
June 17 2011 16:40 GMT
#6
With some improved macro, you should be able to beat him. The AI always makes a strong early game push. Hold it with many bunkers, to keep marines alive. After the push, make immediately a counterpush, and it will cripple him severely. Practice Macro after you have beaten him down. Listen, don't neglect your macro, even when you have already won . Just continue to macro, macro, macro. You will be stomped on ICCup, if you don't have decent macro, so practice it against the AI.
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masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
June 17 2011 16:40 GMT
#7
Grats on your first match. BW is so much fun once you figure out how to do everything. Just do a bit of study and you will improve. ICCup is also an amazing place to get replay of the Mu's you need. I would know, I an a replay admin there :D

Just have fun. don't worry about winning for awhile though.


On June 18 2011 01:36 Rhaegar99 wrote:
2 port probably isnt a build you want to do as a beginner lol


This too!
fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
June 17 2011 16:42 GMT
#8
Haha, it's easy to beat the AI. They only have a few set build orders, so once you figure those out, your golden But playing standard will almost guarantee you the win, check out Liquepedia for tips
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 17 2011 16:45 GMT
#9
Play with me. I just started too and I beat the Protoss and Zerg AI! The Zerg likes to go Hydras lurkers lings into mutas, so I generally do a 1 factory expand and just make tanks until the first major wave (it's huge) and then switch to goliaths!

After that, he kind of gives up lolol. Doesn't make anything else.

Playing a Fighting Spirit, it's by far the best map <3
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
June 17 2011 16:49 GMT
#10
You are probably banned from games, because you don't have ICCUP Launcher. Download it from the ICCUP website first before playing.

BW AI is pretty bad actually, once you learn some basic macro/micro you should roll the AI pretty easily. When they rush you, you can easily deflect it by making them focus on one unit and making them run around chasing it while you make more units
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
June 17 2011 16:50 GMT
#11
Against AI .. Building placements > ALL

Try using a circular wall around your base .. its more fun that way. Intensive microing those marines and SCV .. I really like those back in the day
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
June 17 2011 17:07 GMT
#12
Do you have antihack lancher with LAN-latency enabled? becouse if not, it's very hard to find games, since no one wants to rely on his luck while microing.
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
June 17 2011 17:08 GMT
#13
On June 18 2011 01:49 Nemesis wrote:
You are probably banned from games, because you don't have ICCUP Launcher. Download it from the ICCUP website first before playing.

BW AI is pretty bad actually, once you learn some basic macro/micro you should roll the AI pretty easily. When they rush you, you can easily deflect it by making them focus on one unit and making them run around chasing it while you make more units


Although rewarding I agree with Nemesis on that its very easy once you do it once or twice to roll the AI. It ling/zealot rushes are very easy to handle and the barracks rushes die super fast to just one bunker or a couple well placed sunkens. Its always fun to play it though and the SC2 AI doesn't ever macro at all (as in take new bases it does make units and pushes constantly) but the BW AI makes bases everywhere if you let it lol.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
June 17 2011 17:21 GMT
#14
join #teamliquidbw on irc, a couple here would love to play with you
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
June 17 2011 17:30 GMT
#15
2port wraith is one of the last builds i would recommend to a new player >__>
at least you didn't try to sair/reaver, lol
brood war for life, brood war forever
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
June 17 2011 17:31 GMT
#16
The BW ai always goes for a bad pretty allinsh early attack with a weak economy, so you have to keep that in mind while trying to do "standard" builds, which are generally based on your opponent going for more standard, long-term oriented builds as well.
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Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
June 17 2011 18:11 GMT
#17
I think the BW AI is much much crappier than the SC2 AI. The only annoying part of the BW AI is that it 4 pools you sometimes. The BW AI always does an all-in rush, and then quickly falls apart after that. Usually 5 properly micro'd dragoons will beat just about anything the AI sends against you early game. Mid/late game the BW AI is just terrible. The SC2 AI has way more units than you would ever expect at any point in the game, it consistently has a lot of stuff, which makes it harder to fight.

As for your build order, at your skill level it is the equivalent of going 1 base battle cruiser rush. It is a very bad idea to do, and has a bad success rate until you are experience and skilled enough to use it. Also, 2 port wraith isn't a very good build order either.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
June 17 2011 18:27 GMT
#18
The good news is you can learn to beat the AI pretty quickly. Just chose a safe-ish build in every matchup (go for some form of 1 rax CC in TvZ) and practice your macro.

The bad news is that there's a long way from beating the AI every single time to winning a single game on ICCUP.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
June 17 2011 18:44 GMT
#19
Lolololo 2-port wraith as first BO!

Do not even attempt that until you are like B level...it's one of the most difficult strats to pull off in a real game (the other biggie being reaver/sair). You need about 200apm minimum for it to function.

Download the Entropy AI from BWAI if you actually want some practice vs comps. It does multiple builds that are actually real and expands.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
June 17 2011 18:47 GMT
#20
Only gosus can use wraiths properly ;d
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