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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 01:22 GMT
#41
On May 20 2011 10:18 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 10:14 platorepublic wrote:
On May 20 2011 10:02 duckett wrote:
On May 20 2011 10:02 platorepublic wrote:
On May 20 2011 09:57 duckett wrote:
On May 20 2011 09:55 platorepublic wrote:
On May 20 2011 09:53 duckett wrote:
On May 20 2011 09:22 platorepublic wrote:
On May 20 2011 08:51 mizU wrote:
On May 20 2011 08:37 Zurles wrote:
[quote]

and Myyyy Axe!
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So... where are we going?

We are going towards goodness.

Not necessarily. Good can be defined such that the exploration does not lead to good. There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

If we don't explore, how can we even know anything then?

It's better than doing nothing.

Why is it better than doing nothing? To answer this, you would have to define better, which would presuppose a definition of good to at least some extent.

So let's say you do nothing, then.

Yes.

You just did.


If a post is made in a blog, and no one reads it, was it truly written?

Plato says yes.
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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 02:18 GMT
#42
I just checked the other peoples blogs to see which is best by ranking, and just realised my blog is ranked 2nd last. (Lol.)
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 02:25:47
May 20 2011 02:22 GMT
#43
On May 20 2011 08:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Isn't good = eudaimonia, which roughly means the good life. The virtues are means to obtaining eudaimonia. Virtues are both desirable for themselves and as means to an end. I haven't read any of this in a while though.

I think that was more Aristotle's idea of what the good is than Plato's.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
May 20 2011 02:26 GMT
#44
Bad?
Can you feel the rush?
platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 02:28 GMT
#45
On May 20 2011 11:26 sYz-Adrenaline wrote:
Bad?

What?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
May 20 2011 02:28 GMT
#46
Ugly.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 02:30 GMT
#47
On May 20 2011 11:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Ugly.

What is with all these one word replies?
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 02:35:31
May 20 2011 02:34 GMT
#48
The OP is more about the nature of good rather than the question of what is good, ie essence precedes existence. I'm not inclined to believe either side of a questionable dichotomy of either existence or essence preceding the other, I guess I just copout on any form of philosophy that attempts to be fully systematic by resorting to my own ideas of epistemology as the basis for other stuff.
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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 02:45 GMT
#49
On May 20 2011 11:34 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
The OP is more about the nature of good rather than the question of what is good, ie essence precedes existence. I'm not inclined to believe either side of a questionable dichotomy of either existence or essence preceding the other, I guess I just copout on any form of philosophy that attempts to be fully systematic by resorting to my own ideas of epistemology as the basis for other stuff.

Yes, you are right about OP.

And what are your own ideas of epistemology exactly?
Even though I've never met you, I still miss you.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
May 20 2011 03:15 GMT
#50
Riders of Rohan, what news from the mark?
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 03:31 GMT
#51
On May 20 2011 12:15 mizU wrote:
Riders of Rohan, what news from the mark?

The King is safe for now.
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 03:52:44
May 20 2011 03:52 GMT
#52
On May 20 2011 11:45 platorepublic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 11:34 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
The OP is more about the nature of good rather than the question of what is good, ie essence precedes existence. I'm not inclined to believe either side of a questionable dichotomy of either existence or essence preceding the other, I guess I just copout on any form of philosophy that attempts to be fully systematic by resorting to my own ideas of epistemology as the basis for other stuff.

Yes, you are right about OP.

And what are your own ideas of epistemology exactly?


Well I guess it's probably too presumptuous for me to claim them as my own ideas, I'm sure someone's already thought of them/argued it or whatever. I generally agree with Cartesian rationalism, but when he reaches the solipsism dilemma, instead of using the ontology argument for proving God, I believe that our ability to communicate and share ideas with other beings (ie other people) proves that there can be things that exist outside of us, and it is this consensus-making through the interchange of ideas that then go through Descartes' same process of building up the rest of the truths we can know from there. Connecting to the original question of this blog, I'd then say that this ability to exchange ideas with each other (I also think that this human understanding isn't solely "rationalism" [not in the same sense of the term used with Descartes in rationalism vs empiricism, but the idea of cold logic in rationalism vs emotivism, so I think that emotions themselves can be a form of understanding]) brings meaning into our existence, and the celebration of the meaning of human understanding would be the normative good.
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palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
May 20 2011 03:52 GMT
#53
Is good bad? or vice versa?
time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana
platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 04:00 GMT
#54
On May 20 2011 12:52 palanq wrote:
Is good bad? or vice versa?

I think good and bad overlaps.
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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 09:58 GMT
#55
On May 20 2011 12:52 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 11:45 platorepublic wrote:
On May 20 2011 11:34 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
The OP is more about the nature of good rather than the question of what is good, ie essence precedes existence. I'm not inclined to believe either side of a questionable dichotomy of either existence or essence preceding the other, I guess I just copout on any form of philosophy that attempts to be fully systematic by resorting to my own ideas of epistemology as the basis for other stuff.

Yes, you are right about OP.

And what are your own ideas of epistemology exactly?


Well I guess it's probably too presumptuous for me to claim them as my own ideas, I'm sure someone's already thought of them/argued it or whatever. I generally agree with Cartesian rationalism, but when he reaches the solipsism dilemma, instead of using the ontology argument for proving God, I believe that our ability to communicate and share ideas with other beings (ie other people) proves that there can be things that exist outside of us, and it is this consensus-making through the interchange of ideas that then go through Descartes' same process of building up the rest of the truths we can know from there. Connecting to the original question of this blog, I'd then say that this ability to exchange ideas with each other (I also think that this human understanding isn't solely "rationalism" [not in the same sense of the term used with Descartes in rationalism vs empiricism, but the idea of cold logic in rationalism vs emotivism, so I think that emotions themselves can be a form of understanding]) brings meaning into our existence, and the celebration of the meaning of human understanding would be the normative good.

Descartes and Plato are my favourite philosophy writers.
Even though I've never met you, I still miss you.
TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
May 20 2011 15:43 GMT
#56
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.
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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 17:46 GMT
#57
On May 21 2011 00:43 TheGiz wrote:
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.

How do you do good if you don't know what good is?
Even though I've never met you, I still miss you.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 20 2011 18:49 GMT
#58
On May 21 2011 02:46 platorepublic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 00:43 TheGiz wrote:
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.

How do you do good if you don't know what good is?

If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 20 2011 18:53 GMT
#59
On May 20 2011 11:22 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 08:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Isn't good = eudaimonia, which roughly means the good life. The virtues are means to obtaining eudaimonia. Virtues are both desirable for themselves and as means to an end. I haven't read any of this in a while though.

I think that was more Aristotle's idea of what the good is than Plato's.


no it isnt
platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 20 2011 20:35 GMT
#60
On May 21 2011 03:49 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 02:46 platorepublic wrote:
On May 21 2011 00:43 TheGiz wrote:
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.

How do you do good if you don't know what good is?

If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?

I never said darkness is bad/light is good.
Even though I've never met you, I still miss you.
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