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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 20 2011 21:09 GMT
#61
On May 21 2011 05:35 platorepublic wrote:
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On May 21 2011 03:49 Pandain wrote:
On May 21 2011 02:46 platorepublic wrote:
On May 21 2011 00:43 TheGiz wrote:
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.

How do you do good if you don't know what good is?

If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?

I never said darkness is bad/light is good.


I know you are, but what am I?
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 22:19:23
May 20 2011 22:02 GMT
#62
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
May 21 2011 06:58 GMT
#63
On May 21 2011 00:43 TheGiz wrote:
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.


I agree that knowing good may not be sufficient to achieve good, but knowledge of good is still necessary to achieve good. Plus your statement of "you do not have to know good to do good" begs the question of what is good before we can imagine that it can be done in ignorance of it.
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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 21 2011 09:08 GMT
#64
On May 21 2011 15:58 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 00:43 TheGiz wrote:
You do not have to know good to do good, and knowing good does not necessarily bring good either. A sociopath may know what 'good' is, but has no regard for doing good and it will not guide the sociopath's actions. Indifference is a form of sociopathy as well, and there are many people in the world who are simply indifferent.

That said, ethical people may still know good but may not always perform actions that fall into the realm of 'good,' because such actions may be guided by emotion, temptation, or necessity. Good is also inherently subjective, and as such individuals may claim to know what 'good' is despite having different ideas on the subject.

Knowing good does not help elevate oneself morally unless doing good also comes of it.


I agree that knowing good may not be sufficient to achieve good, but knowledge of good is still necessary to achieve good. Plus your statement of "you do not have to know good to do good" begs the question of what is good before we can imagine that it can be done in ignorance of it.

Good.
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Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
May 23 2011 02:12 GMT
#65
You're going to confuse people by just calling things "good". Plato's definition of the good was a completely different thing then the moral "good" that comes to mind in our present day culture. Your trying to explain good with 2 different language games.

Good for Plato was the source of all knowledge. The sun was to sight, as the good was to reason and knowledge. Its not a moral question, its a question of metaphysics, of what is and what isn't. If you want to study Plato, you should see everything in this world as shadows of forms that the good is shining on.
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platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 23 2011 12:40 GMT
#66
If you want to study Plato, you should see everything in this world as shadows of forms that the good is shining on.

What he said. Good one, Fulgrim.
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