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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On May 11 2011 12:19 Fontong wrote: I bet he took one look at the Uganda bill and said 'You shall not pass!' Hahahaha oh god this post is amazing! Worth coming in here just for that. | ||
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ProjectVirtue
Canada360 Posts
On May 10 2011 20:30 deathly rat wrote: Hating gay people is indefensible. As far as I can tell the purpose of this thread is to discuss how young people use the word ""gay" to describe anything rubbish. Although it's an unfortunate development, the word "gay" was firstly misappropriated to mean "homosexual" rather than "Happy". Therefore I find the whole thing ironic. Fred Flintstone hasn't been able to have a "gay old time" without sniggers from the back for quite a while. Agreed. On a related note, it is analogous to the misappropriation of the term faggot as well, as least in colloquial usage. Though when this started is beyond me. on topic though, it's nice to see mckellen making rounds like this. I would imagine its only a matter of time before people start to realize homosexuality is in no way adverse or contagious (as some people seem to believe =[ ). Awareness is the start to understanding! | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
edit: Am I now a stalker or what? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/195273_532922582_4083507_n.jpg) | ||
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Sermokala
United States14199 Posts
On May 11 2011 12:03 Probulous wrote: I think I see what you mean. Unfortunately, extreme oppposition creates a no win situation. You are either drowned out or have to shout louder. IMO the marriage movement is more about establishing legitimacy and acceptance than marriage itself. I mean in the 21st century who wants to get married anyway? Seems so outdated. I think it is more a push for equality than there being something special about marriage. Equality both legally and socially, hence the passion from both sides. The fact is homosexuality is more accepted now than it has ever been. Those hanging on to outdated beliefes will fall by the wayside with time. The arguments for equality before the law are plain and clear. It is just really difficult to have a reasonable conversation when you have people shouting at you. And that theres why I hate it so much (not you btw) In my eyes at least marriage has been a bastion of the church and has never been about the state. The state just recognized the marriages as being successful and tried to help out families which at that time was just between a man and a women and didn't have all these other complications to it. I guess I'm just trying to say I don't like how the gay rights movement thinks its got to fight the church directly, the arrogance on both sides, and the way people don't really care about the subject but just support it because its popular. I had a Debate on it that I was assigned to and didn't pick it because I was the only person who was willing(stupid) to take it and when I crushed my opponent everyone started hating on me for a week because of it. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 12 2011 02:13 sermokala wrote: And that theres why I hate it so much (not you btw) In my eyes at least marriage has been a bastion of the church and has never been about the state. The state just recognized the marriages as being successful and tried to help out families which at that time was just between a man and a women and didn't have all these other complications to it. I guess I'm just trying to say I don't like how the gay rights movement thinks its got to fight the church directly, the arrogance on both sides, and the way people don't really care about the subject but just support it because its popular. I had a Debate on it that I was assigned to and didn't pick it because I was the only person who was willing(stupid) to take it and when I crushed my opponent everyone started hating on me for a week because of it. I don't hate you either mate  The problem though is that as someone who supports equal rights, regardless of sexuality, gender, race, hell maybe even hair colour (not sure bout them rangers though  ); you have to make your point heard. As you say the government has long supported the church's position that marriage and the associated family structure is the foundation of society. Legally, and economically. In Aus at least there are tax breaks and family support benefits for families that are specifically targeted at supporting the family structure. Any attack on this principle, which gay marraige would is seen as, is met with vitriol and a claim to tradition. What made our coutnry great etc etc. People fail to see that this is a question about a person's right to live their life without government interference. It's sort of weird that it is being driven by the left side of politics given the right's propensity to do away with government all together. Anyway, fact is that this will change. People will look back at these arguments much like how we look back at the race arguments of our grandparents and wonder how we tried to justify it. Reason will have it's way. | ||
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