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Hey there,
since I'm a player tending to be rather stressed with ladder - I'start beeing really eager to win, thus I feel like I am actually beeing overrated after a while, then have to focus even harder on winning until it becomes kinda stressful - I'm often straying to CGs or other ways to catch up with my skills.
Now I found playing vs Insane AI to be an actually good practice, because I feel my deficits in macro and micro over and over again, and playing no-cheese vs Insane feels like it is really condensing all gameplay down on "macro perfectly!".
It's not like I was mass-gaming against AI, but I often kinda relax, listen to some kind of youtube video (some presentation of whatever usually, like Alpha Centauri - German series about astronomy or speeches by Paul Watzlawick) and play some rounds as random vs Insane.
The win ratio is... kinda bad. There are certain 100%-win-strats like fast Siege Tank -> Counter Push, but already a 15-hatch spinecrawler-roach play becomes risky and requires really good macro, so I obviously play those which actually require perfect macro, because I don't want to farm easy wins but practice.
So, I thought "maybe playing some rounds of co-op would be kinda fun for a while", started and first guy was immediately yelling at me: "Rush!", went 2-proxy-rax bunker rush and cheesed the hell out of one Insane AI. As I usually understand it in team play: go and eliminate one guy, then using your advantage over the other one.
Long story short, we baaadly lost, I got scolded for running into the wrong base (the one he slowly bunkerrushed), thus the rush failed, I tryed to macro out the other AI (having 8-pool into expo into mass roaches against a guy with double income, no good :D) which almost worked, but my ally kinda died on his side when the other AI swarmed his bunkers before I had an army out ^^
I played 2-3 other Co-Op matches after this, but it seems that random Co-Op team players really boiled down all the game into: 2 players each cheesing an AI in 1on1-mode. Not rushing/going for macro or normal play: Getting scolded.
Well, long rant for an irrelevant topic, but I really was kinda "WTF?" about these guys. Are all people to be met in Co-Op like that? It feels to me like (almost) all those people preferring random team and Co-Op have a really hard to reproduce understanding of the game, from a 1v1-player's point of view. It's all like "let's find some weird cheesy strat and go farm wins and _avoid using skill at all costs_". No surprise that so many team league diamond and master players with >700, 800, even >1500 team wins often still are only platinum level in 1on1.
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Braavos36400 Posts
It's natural that people farm wins against the AI, especially when they can earn achievements and other stuff.
In short, I think your expectations are unreasonable. If you want people to care about "real skill" from a 1v1 player's perspective, you should play 1v1. Lots of people get nervous/stressed out from playing the ladder, that's understandable. But you can't go and look down on people for playing differently against the computer. Obviously they're going to treat it differently.
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If it's any consolation I would play some macro games with you against Insane AI computer players if you are really having that much trouble finding people who aren't farming. At the very least it would be funny to see the ridiculous macro of a cheating Insane AI computer player in full effect. 
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On May 03 2011 06:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
It's natural that people farm wins against the AI, especially when they can earn achievements and other stuff.
In short, I think your expectations are unreasonable. If you want people to care about "real skill" from a 1v1 player's perspective, you should play 1v1. Lots of people get nervous/stressed out from playing the ladder, that's understandable. But you can't go and look down on people for playing differently against the computer. Obviously they're going to treat it differently.
Oh dammit, my mistake, now it seems kinda off :D
What I was actually confused about (and originally intended to point out, but failed to), is that these people think I was nuts for trying to face AI head on instead of cheesing it.
It's not that I think they were completely weird, I can reproduce that thought of "let's go farm points" on some way, but that many of those people seem to be unable to see an alternative reason for playing than that.
On May 03 2011 07:01 FODDER~ wrote:If it's any consolation I would play some macro games with you against Insane AI computer players if you are really having that much trouble finding people who aren't farming. At the very least it would be funny to see the ridiculous macro of a cheating Insane AI computer player in full effect.
That's a nice offer, but I think it's hard (you US, me EU)? 
Well, it's actually quite controlable up to the point where they start mass expanding. They remain one base for a long time, but once they got a lot of expansions up they're really hard to macro out ^^
I still think it's possible though! It just requires really good unit trades (for Zerg), very cost efficient play (as Protoss) or very good siege lines (Mech)/a mix of cost effiency and good trades (Bio).
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Yes but every now and then you get teamed up with a complete noob who does NOTHING the entire game, which certainly makes it difficult especially if the enemies are far from eachother. Just try to get the teammate to leave so you get control, and if you can macro well, tis all good.
Twice in a row I went up to 14 wins streak vs insane only to lose. Bah. Achievements aren't important anyways.
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