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Hi all!
Good to see ya again!
Yesterday I played sc2, and lost a lot of games. What's a pity. My points were disappearing very fast... And all that was because I haven't played for 4-5 days before. Work, work, work...
I played a lot of games yesterday, and the win rate was just about 25/75 (win/lose).
But also after playing some games and loses I had one really nice win. And I saw, that my knowledges were really grown up.
So, I decided to get some lessons from coaches. Here I see there are a lot of people who are ready to train the others for not a great money.
What do u think? Is it better to take a coach?
Or it's better to play more games and watch replays for better understanding the whole game myself (from my view)?
If you have any experience with coaches - please write it here.
Waiting for your replies!
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I guess in a way it depends on how you learn best. Probably best to do a combination in my opinion.
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On April 30 2011 17:06 Ulfsark wrote:
I guess in a way it depends on how you learn best. Probably best to do a combination in my opinion.
Of course it will be a combo, because after the lesson I will always play ladder and test some new features. I mean the whole coaching process - do I really need it? Or everybody learned the game themselves?
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I have heard people say coaching helps them a lot but it can be quite expensive, depends how serious you are.
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On April 30 2011 17:12 KMARTRULES wrote:
I have heard people say coaching helps them a lot but it can be quite expensive, depends how serious you are.
Of course I dont want the PRO level. I want to understand sc2 better, learn some new strategic aspects, and to get maybe master league.
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On April 30 2011 17:08 Beforrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 17:06 Ulfsark wrote:
I guess in a way it depends on how you learn best. Probably best to do a combination in my opinion. Of course it will be a combo, because after the lesson I will always play ladder and test some new features. I mean the whole coaching process - do I really need it? Or everybody learned the game themselves?
Well, none of the top players that are around today recieved specific coaching past just normal interaction with the community of players, as there was no coaching around back then.
Obviously coaching is going to be helpful, but I wouldn't bother doing it until you have the basic mechanics down so you can concentrate on the information the coach will give you. There is no point in paying someone to tell you "don't get supply blocked", "make scvs'. Having these basics down should get you into top diamond at least, so I wouldn't pursue coaching personally until then.
If you really don't feel like you know what you need to do to improve then by all means ask a more advanced player though, if not paying a coach.
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Well you don't always have to resort to coaching, altough a lot of people learned everything by themselves, it can also be a good idea to find some people that are better then you, play/practice with them, and let them give input on what you can do better.
Coaching do you really need it?
Coaching is helpfull, and you will improve much faster then you would do on your own, and if you really want to improve faster it can be worth it.
The only question that you have to ask yourself, is the money that I have to pay worth it for the improvement?
I personally feel like it's only really worth it for players who are like mid-high diamond or somewhere in masters that really need that little push to get them going again to masters, or much higher in masters, and get them past that typical 'block'.
Since in plat and below it's just a matter of working out those very obvious flaws, and any decent starcraft player could probably point those out to you
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Its sort of a personal decision, man.
Coaching isn't going to teach you something that you can't figure out on your own, but it will definitely streamline the whole process.
I think coaching is great, and I would definitely recommend it, but I would also advise that you make sure your play is at a respectable level before you go get coaching.
Nothing is more frustrating for a player (and for a coach) than being told what you NEED to do, but being unable to actually do it because you're too slow, or you're just too underdeveloped in general.
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On April 30 2011 17:46 MrBitter wrote:
Nothing is more frustrating for a player (and for a coach) than being told what you NEED to do, but being unable to actually do it because you're too slow, or you're just too underdeveloped in general.
that would reveal a mechanics issue. the player's apm is being misused or his hand speed isn't up to par for that level of play. these are things coaches can help correct by drilling the urgency of what the highest priorities of the gameflow are.
i definitely recommend coaching if it can be afforded. having someone really effing good point you in the right direction makes the game much more enjoyable.
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I think you should take some time to explore the play with an untainted viewpoint. Once you defer your decision-making to those who are better than you, it may seem to be a good thing, but it also thrusts you into their understanding of the metagame.
Instead of actual coaching, you can learn a lot from watching MrBitter's "12 weeks" show and use that as a muse to think about your own play. I find that when you are actively engaging with the metagame, you develop a much deeper understanding than somebody who is completely coached by another. While the latter method may lead to faster initial improvement, and it is not impossible to develop a good understanding of the game after coaching, I would think that the satisfaction and understanding is greater when you can engage with the game personally and then discuss it with others who follow the metagame more strictly.
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I know simple builds, I dont think about "I shall make probes", I always make them. I dont think about build orders in a way "Oh, what shall I build now to creale colossus?", I just make them. I mean that I make lots of things automatically, without thinking for a long time.
I dont understand many moments in a middle game, such as expanding, fast expanding and its protection, or which units to build against the 200/200 pack of opponent (the quantity of each unit), etc.
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been asking myself this question, hopelessly stuck high diamond for a few months is frustrating ._. block yo
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Obviously both, but just a tip: you're never going to get as good as you can be if you're worried about having a bad record or getting a lot of losses
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If you are really interested in getting a coach to help you improve, and you don't have to worry about money, then why not? - that being said though.
If it's really worth it, I'd propably say "No" (this is of course very individual) unless perhaps you are high diamond/low-mid master, been stuck at the same lvl awhile despite having reviewed your replays and trying everything you can think of yourself. And you can't see what you are doing wrong.
I am propably very low diamond Z (had a long long sc2 break and got back not too long ago) I know for sure what I am doing wrong, I am horribly horribly slow with everything once it's about early mid game. I'm sure coaching could help me improve faster, but not so much because my really big/huge flaws are my macro and multitasking, obviously I have many other less obvious flaws as well, but as it stands now I think I could get into low-mid masters with ease if I just get faster, which a coach may not be able to help with too well (I don't know?).
So for you, I'd guess try to think about what what lvl you are currently, how hard you've been trying to improve without success, and also identify where your biggest flaws are, if it's something that'd be easier to break out of with a coach. And lastly of course your wallet, as I said on top if the cost really isn't an issue for you, then whatever lvl you are you may get some coaching if that's what you like.
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Thx to all for all advices.
I think that I shall analize my game, do my best, and for the beginning I shall move to diamond. And if I have any blocks, so then I will work with coach.
GL HF !!!
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I think using freely available resources like the millions of replays and live streams of decent players out there and your own mind to figure out how to play will pay off way more in the long run than getting a coach to teach you a 3 rax marine marauder build or whatever most of them will do in the limited time you get with them.
You'll end up with a much stronger understanding of the game if you figure it out for yourself
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