• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:21
CEST 18:21
KST 01:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2912Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format12[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!1Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back9BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Interview with an American 16 Year Old Grandmaster Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Latest hotfix to Patch 5.0.16
Tourneys
WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4490 users

Psi and Parapsychology

Blogs > Wohmfg
Post a Reply
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
April 25 2011 01:45 GMT
#1
So a few days ago I had a nice PM conversation with a member of TL. It was about being open minded and the acceptance of new ideas. In the end he linked me to this video:



I am a skeptic. I am skeptical of all things that people try and explain away with alternative ideas. I am skeptical of this video. I am skeptical of the lecturer. I am skeptical of the credibility of the people he mentions.

But I am still open minded. If all the evidence in the world on parapsychology was this video then I would believe in psychic powers, because the evidence seems to be very strong. But of course that isn't the case. I'd love it if people could tell me all they know about the science of parapsychology, I'm not interested in anecdotes or personal experience. I've lived my whole life not believing in any of this stuff because there's never been any evidence for it, but now that there appears to be some then I am willing to change my mind if I can confirm that the evidence is legitimate and cannot be refuted easily.

BW4Life!
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
April 25 2011 01:50 GMT
#2
There's a point where being open-minded has to give way to sense.

This seems to be one of them.
Moderator
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
April 25 2011 01:55 GMT
#3
On April 25 2011 10:50 Empyrean wrote:
There's a point where being open-minded has to give way to sense.

This seems to be one of them.


Haha, I was going to put a paragraph in my OP that would address this. I think your response is exactly how I would react if I was presented with an OP such as mine. But the video presents what appears to be evidence of parapsychology.

Like I said I know nothing about the science of this stuff. I am also very skeptical of it. But when my only exposure to it is this video, then I will obviously start to question my prior thoughts about it. That's why I posted this here, because I am so skeptical of it. I don't believe in the stuff in the video, but would love to hear counter points to it before I start disregarding it as bullshit.
BW4Life!
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
April 25 2011 01:55 GMT
#4
Everything can be curved to make someone seem right.

Take everything with a grain of salt.
With this, take a few extra grains.
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:00:55
April 25 2011 01:57 GMT
#5
I'd be interested in researching this while getting my psyc degree. the only thing i can remember off hand was something about activity in the temples or temporal lobes when someone is on the verge of death and claims they were watching themself in the hospital bed. Other than that most if not all of the typical mind reading tricks have been shown to be just a trick, which of course has psychological implications on those of us that fall for their game.
i'll see if i can tear myself away from IPL and watch it lol
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
April 25 2011 02:00 GMT
#6
On April 25 2011 10:55 Bippzy wrote:
Everything can be curved to make someone seem right.

Take everything with a grain of salt.
With this, take a few extra grains.


I am. I just want to know what the counterpoints to this video are exactly.

And how specifically the evidence in the video can be curved to make the believers in this stuff seem right, even if it isn't. I know nothing about this stuff and want to educate myself on it, and whether it is absolute bullshit or not.

I've believed it's been bullshit my whole life.
BW4Life!
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:35:39
April 25 2011 02:18 GMT
#7
If you believe that the wisdom of the entire universe can be found in a single grain of rice, then you can say you're open-minded.

Edit: Also, if you don't believe in the topics expressed in the lecture, then I ask: do you believe in "remote viewing?" I haven't watched the video in the first post but this is relevant.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
April 25 2011 02:26 GMT
#8
I'm sorry, I have ADD and can't be bothered to watch a 90 minute talk right now. However, I quickly skimmed through a few sections and I noticed he partially quotes a lot of papers. I would suggest reading some of the actual papers he presents and trying to find any holes in them - whether it be in experimental design, making generalizations from an incomplete sample, or misinterpreting the results. It's a classic trick used: selectively pick out the few exceptions in a flawed paper to make it seem legit.
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
April 25 2011 03:30 GMT
#9
On April 25 2011 11:26 Xusneb wrote:
I'm sorry, I have ADD and can't be bothered to watch a 90 minute talk right now. However, I quickly skimmed through a few sections and I noticed he partially quotes a lot of papers. I would suggest reading some of the actual papers he presents and trying to find any holes in them - whether it be in experimental design, making generalizations from an incomplete sample, or misinterpreting the results. It's a classic trick used: selectively pick out the few exceptions in a flawed paper to make it seem legit.


Funniest one I've heard was someone using Heisenberg's uncertainty principle to deduce that our bodies' location exists only in probability and we are actually in every location of the universe.
...jumping into cold water whenever I get the chance.
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
April 25 2011 03:47 GMT
#10
very interesting indeed. Make sure to share if you find anything else on this subject
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
April 25 2011 05:07 GMT
#11
On April 25 2011 10:55 Bippzy wrote:
Everything can be curved to make someone seem right.

Take everything with a grain of salt.
With this, take a few extra grains.

This is the problem of relativism. Every question of people being too open minded or not open minded enough is reducible to this problem. (to OP) Solve this for the general case (for yourself) before considering specific examples like pseudoscience if you value consistency.
funky squaredance funky squaredance funky squaredance
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4014 Posts
April 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#12
I have been on many Psi-Ops missions, this man knows what he's talking about.

The reason some people find it hard to believe is because he's exerting his ENORMOUS will to ensure that only people of sufficient mental fortitude can see the truth. Sagacity is key.
Moderator@SirJolt
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
April 25 2011 12:17 GMT
#13
On April 25 2011 14:07 duckett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 10:55 Bippzy wrote:
Everything can be curved to make someone seem right.

Take everything with a grain of salt.
With this, take a few extra grains.

This is the problem of relativism. Every question of people being too open minded or not open minded enough is reducible to this problem. (to OP) Solve this for the general case (for yourself) before considering specific examples like pseudoscience if you value consistency.

I am willing to accept new ideas if there is evidence for it and if it simply makes sense in my head. I don't think I'm open minded to a ridiculous point which is why I've rejected every single previous idea I've been presented about parapsychology. I still think it's bullshit. I just want to know more about the science of it. I want to know why the evidence presented in the video is either unscientific or bullshit.

On April 25 2011 20:48 SirJolt wrote:
I have been on many Psi-Ops missions, this man knows what he's talking about.

The reason some people find it hard to believe is because he's exerting his ENORMOUS will to ensure that only people of sufficient mental fortitude can see the truth. Sagacity is key.

Haha.
BW4Life!
Eluadyl
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey364 Posts
April 25 2011 12:49 GMT
#14
This:

Not enough energy
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 13:01:15
April 25 2011 13:00 GMT
#15


This sums up most of my beliefs on all of this parapsychology stuff.

"Science adjusts its views based on whats observed. Faith is the denial of observation so belief can be preserved." Now that doesn't mean that parapsychology is necessarily false, but every case of it in history turns out to have been fraud.

The video also sums up my stance about arguing about this junk. "we'd as well be 10 minutes back in time for all the chance you'd change your mind"

edit: haha more Tim Minchin!
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 16h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 471
SteadfastSC 88
CosmosSc2 42
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4203
Bisu 2141
Shuttle 1130
Jaedong 1111
Mini 615
Horang2 519
Soma 421
Light 374
Stork 318
EffOrt 272
[ Show more ]
Zeus 258
actioN 240
firebathero 194
hero 176
ggaemo 157
Soulkey 149
Mong 104
Snow 84
sorry 65
Pusan 54
Movie 46
ToSsGirL 46
Hyun 31
soO 30
910 27
scan(afreeca) 25
Barracks 21
Rock 18
Terrorterran 18
Yoon 17
zelot 11
IntoTheRainbow 11
Sacsri 11
Sexy 10
Dota 2
Gorgc8047
qojqva1017
canceldota47
League of Legends
Doublelift3285
crisheroes96
KnowMe69
Counter-Strike
fl0m437
x6flipin333
adren_tv113
kRYSTAL_53
byalli7
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang051
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor186
Other Games
singsing1349
Liquid`RaSZi948
hiko641
ceh9131
Livibee113
XaKoH 89
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2752
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV392
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile135
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• Reevou 0
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2511
• TFBlade1076
Other Games
• Shiphtur311
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
16h 39m
CrankTV Team League
18h 39m
Replay Cast
1d 16h
CrankTV Team League
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.