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Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charmander - The Best? - Page 5

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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:45:24
April 07 2011 21:38 GMT
#81
Yet another pokémon thread @ TL which will make me dl & play this game
ONCE AGAIN ~.^

Voted Charmanderizard of course!
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
April 07 2011 21:42 GMT
#82
I would always do charmander and just brute force my way through Brock: save my game right up in his face, reset if my first ember didn't critical hit or burn...lol.
dont ever say that
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 07 2011 21:43 GMT
#83
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I don't see any of your other pokemon being ballers wearing sunglasses.

Yeah. That's what I thought.
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
April 07 2011 21:46 GMT
#84
Squirtle for the speed run. It's also a turtle with badass cannons.
Ghost151
Profile Joined May 2008
United States290 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 21:52:26
April 07 2011 21:46 GMT
#85
hell yeah Bulbasaur!.

His 3rd form doesn't have the raw power of Charizard or the combination of strength and versatility of Blastoise, but he is far more useful in 1-on-1 fights with pretty much any tough Pokémon, and he's one of the best grass types as far as learnable moves go. Leech seed + toxic combo, little bit of body slam for solid damage and good paralyze chance, and solarbeam for RAPING type advantages made him my go-to unit back in the old days of Red.

On subsequent trips through, I'd pick him and grab a Nido (male) for a strong as hell Nidoking with body slam, thrash, and earthquake, and always buy the Magikarp before Mt. Moon and baby it all the way into the mighty Gyarados before taking on Misty. Pick up drowzee for a solid dream eating Hypno later on, and would usually end up rounding out with Articuno (man I LOVED pre-gold/silver Arti, before they split up the special stat, he ROCKED) and Zapdos to take on the elite four and the rival.

Man, good times.


On April 08 2011 04:12 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest.

Can you please explain to me what exactly competitive pokemon is? I was under the impression that because Pokemon is a turn based game with only one right way to play (use the strongest move and make sure you pokemon is the right element), actual gameplay input is extremely limited. I mean what can you do that someone who's read a comprehensive guide to competitive pokemon in 10 minutes can't do in a pokemon battle?


play against a good person or one of the stadium games on the n64 (where they also cheat horribly lol perfect % chance effects EVERY TIME MAN) and they'd teach you there is a lot more to it. Especially the newer the games get, the more new tactics get included because of moves with weird effects. I only played up to gold and silver, and the difference in strategy in one generation leap is HUGE.
fuck art its a competition if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough - Idra, on the "art" of RTS games.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 07 2011 21:49 GMT
#86
Charmander is objectively the best. Charizard is the most viable of the three final evolutions.

Squirtle makes the game the easiest though, you blaze through the final gyms like nothing. The elite four are incredibly easy as well.
RIP Aaliyah
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
April 07 2011 21:54 GMT
#87
Like all true hardcore motherfuckers, i picked Charmander.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 07 2011 21:56 GMT
#88
I also remember, the way to beat brock and his rock shit with charmander first is that you pick fighting attacks level Tackle and stuff, beat them with that. Of course I'm speaking really objectively from a R/B standpoint and not all these new pokemons and stuff, I hope that is what we're discussing.
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Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
April 07 2011 22:07 GMT
#89
On April 08 2011 06:56 Zlasher wrote:
I also remember, the way to beat brock and his rock shit with charmander first is that you pick fighting attacks level Tackle and stuff, beat them with that. Of course I'm speaking really objectively from a R/B standpoint and not all these new pokemons and stuff, I hope that is what we're discussing.

charmander had scratch! and there were no fighting moves at that level except mankey's low kick.
the best way to beat brock if choosing charmander was to use pidgey's sand attack until it stops working and then gust/scratch/ember him to death
you could also make a butterfree with confusion (quite tedious)
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
April 07 2011 22:12 GMT
#90
On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.

And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.


Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.


I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares.

And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool


Infernape wants a word with you
OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
April 07 2011 22:15 GMT
#91
Squirtle, it learns bubble derp derp derp
"Wanna join my [combo] clan?" "We play turret d competitively"
Mavkar
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany592 Posts
April 07 2011 22:18 GMT
#92
In my first playtrough I chose Squirtle(it was on Pokemon Red, what a blasphemy) and I still like him the most. So it came naturally that Bulbasaur was my archenemy. And charmander, yeah, I dont like any fire-type Pokemon that much so yeah, I cant really follow all the charizard hype. It's a dragon, oh...cool...
I'm shy and reserved, even on the internet.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
April 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#93
On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.

And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.


Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.


I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares.

And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool


Infernape wants a word with you


So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
April 07 2011 23:27 GMT
#94
Dude, Scratch imba. For reals.

It's too hard to pick a favorite. I can't vote :x
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 07 2011 23:28 GMT
#95
On April 08 2011 08:20 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.

And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.


Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.


I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares.

And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool


Infernape wants a word with you


So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken.


If I'm not mistaken, Swampert had his time in the spotlight as well, no?
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
April 07 2011 23:35 GMT
#96
On April 08 2011 08:28 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:20 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.

And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.


Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.


I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares.

And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool


Infernape wants a word with you


So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken.


If I'm not mistaken, Swampert had his time in the spotlight as well, no?


Yeah, swampert was the sole reason things carried HP Grass in ADV, what a beast :3
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 07 2011 23:54 GMT
#97
I miss my SubPetaya Empoleon T_T
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 08 2011 00:08 GMT
#98
On April 08 2011 07:07 Gak2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 06:56 Zlasher wrote:
I also remember, the way to beat brock and his rock shit with charmander first is that you pick fighting attacks level Tackle and stuff, beat them with that. Of course I'm speaking really objectively from a R/B standpoint and not all these new pokemons and stuff, I hope that is what we're discussing.

charmander had scratch! and there were no fighting moves at that level except mankey's low kick.
the best way to beat brock if choosing charmander was to use pidgey's sand attack until it stops working and then gust/scratch/ember him to death
you could also make a butterfree with confusion (quite tedious)


Oh...m.eh I don't remember, I never played competitively, I just played with my brother and had a blast going through it as an 8 year old.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 00:13:22
April 08 2011 00:10 GMT
#99
On April 08 2011 08:35 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:28 Bibbit wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:20 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:
On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.

And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.


Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.


I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares.

And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool


Infernape wants a word with you


So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken.


If I'm not mistaken, Swampert had his time in the spotlight as well, no?


Yeah, swampert was the sole reason things carried HP Grass in ADV, what a beast :3


What are you all talking about :O I didn't go further than gold/silver... and those new starters with two types and a handful of fancy skills are pretty hax.

EDIT: btw OP great blog, 5/5, you got all the people involved in something as trivial as pokémon thanks to a great composition
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
April 08 2011 00:45 GMT
#100
charmander

no need to read blog
it's my first day
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