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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 23 2011 00:04 GMT
#21
On March 23 2011 08:56 turdburgler wrote:
before we get another topic derailed by "well atleast their trying/havent seen you do better/why dont you give them a chance". the only reason people are being so critical of the NASL from day one is that this is the western scenes big chance to break out into the mainstream. people are 'upset' because they care.

the only thing that worries me is how the players are selected. looking through the nasl voting page, theres some really "bad" players added to the list by the nasl admins themselves, implying they have atleast a reasonable chance, but then alot of top top europeans have had to be added by random people visiting the site. this on top of incontrol showing a complete lack of any knowledge of the european scene multiple times on stotg really has me worried that we're gonna see a huge american bias in the selection.

as harsh as this sounds im gonna be hugely disappointed if incontrol himself is placed into the league, but im 99% sure he will be. i personally wouldnt put him in the top 50 in the west, let alone the world; and if hes gonna be putting a decent amount of his time into casting i cant bet on him improving before the start of this years tourney season.

on kawaiirice specifically, i think if anyone has seen his play recently, hes been hugely impressive, the only reason it hasnt won him titles is that hes improved so much during the tourney downtime; hes looking like a beast just as the right time

ninja edit:

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On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.


while this is true, would you say that the 5 player per team rule is also something that we should of "waited out"? the rule got flamed to shit because it appeared to be designed almost specifically to piss of team liquid. if people dont raise concerns now then theres no hope for season 1.



GET SOMEEEEEEEEEE
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
March 23 2011 00:06 GMT
#22
On March 23 2011 08:58 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.


Ye my thoughts exactly.

Don't grade the test before it's handed in.

Well he's just airing his to-date thoughts on how it's gone. Hence the blog post rather than a normal forum post talking about how it's all terrible etc.

It's valid to criticise because it hasn't exactly been done in the ideal manner, and it's more a "hopefully this isn't the precursor to a failure" rather than an "omg nasl sux", which is both valid and fine for blog musings.
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
March 23 2011 00:08 GMT
#23
I feel exactly as you do, OP.
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Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:23:26
March 23 2011 00:23 GMT
#24
so you're mad they didn't do EVERYTHING exactly right the first time, even tough they even haven't started?

shame on them.
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
March 23 2011 00:26 GMT
#25
On March 23 2011 09:23 Bloodash wrote:
so you're mad they didn't do EVERYTHING exactly right the first time, even tough they even haven't started?

shame on them.

Xeris has hosted a ton of tournaments before. Also, it seems people aren't mad but worried because it has the chance to expand foreign sc2 scene greatly but if it fails it will be a major blow to it.
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GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:28:09
March 23 2011 00:27 GMT
#26
^ No, people are just straight up mad that the majority of the invites are not going to be Korean.
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 23 2011 00:28 GMT
#27
With the announcement of this new IGN Pro league i could see the NASL having a hard time in the future, IGN has huge backing and i hope for the NASL's sake they can work something out with this new pro league otherwise should season 1 of the NASL be a let down in any way we will see players leaving left and right for IGN Pro League. Obviously not enough info has been released about pro league, but there were already reports of friction between a Fnatic member(dont know wich one but i know there are members of fnatic invovled with the NASL) and an IGN member during a tour of the studio for IGN pro league.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 23 2011 00:28 GMT
#28
I thought we were talking about my post? I'm not mad.
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 23 2011 00:28 GMT
#29
On March 23 2011 09:28 cheesemaster wrote:
With the announcement of this new IGN Pro league i could see the NASL having a hard time in the future, IGN has huge backing and i hope for the NASL's sake they can work something out with this new pro league otherwise should season 1 of the NASL be a let down in any way we will see players leaving left and right for IGN Pro League. Obviously not enough info has been released about pro league, but there were already reports of friction between a Fnatic member(dont know wich one but i know there are members of fnatic invovled with the NASL) and an IGN member during a tour of the studio for IGN pro league.

I think we should stop calling it IGN proleague until it's confirmed that it's actually a team league, since right now it appears to only have been called that by a third party because it's a "professional league". Very misleading.
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Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
March 23 2011 00:29 GMT
#30
On March 23 2011 09:27 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ No, people are just straight up mad that the majority of the invites are not going to be Korean.

I guess I should have been more specific in that my comment was in relation to this thread. Sorry.
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 23 2011 00:30 GMT
#31
On March 23 2011 09:27 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ No, people are just straight up mad that the majority of the invites are not going to be Korean.

I dont think anyone wants to see all korean invites, but i think having 15 korean players and the rest of NA EU would legitimize the league, if they only have a handful of koreans in the tournament (when it seems alot want to participate) then i think alot of people will be dissapointed, between launching the first season and IGN announcing a pro league i can imagine NASL would be sweating pretty hard right now.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 23 2011 00:30 GMT
#32
Comparing to the TSL is quite unfair.

The TSL is our home tournament, we users from TL.net get so immersed in the tournament (with bracket contests, cheerfuls, TSL players posting here, Chill and Day9 casting) that we feel we are actually part of it all.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
March 23 2011 00:38 GMT
#33
I find it kind of questionable if incontrol plays in his own tournament as well (though, I'm not sure if anyone knows how involved with the process he really is). I'd like to see it be successful so we'll just have to wait and see.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:38:44
March 23 2011 00:38 GMT
#34
On March 23 2011 09:04 Turgid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.

Honestly, I don't think it's jumping the gun at all to express concerns based on what we've seen so far. .

You're not jumping the gun, but if after the broadcasts you are wrong, you look just as silly as the people who think it's going to "revolutionize" western esports. It's a great premise, there are some issues, but in both cases people need to step back and calm down.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 23 2011 00:42 GMT
#35
I won't feel silly if it turns out nothing we've seen is indicative of the quality of the league, I'll just be enjoying the games
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AnotherEon
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom250 Posts
March 23 2011 00:42 GMT
#36
On March 23 2011 09:04 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 08:56 turdburgler wrote:
before we get another topic derailed by "well atleast their trying/havent seen you do better/why dont you give them a chance". the only reason people are being so critical of the NASL from day one is that this is the western scenes big chance to break out into the mainstream. people are 'upset' because they care.

the only thing that worries me is how the players are selected. looking through the nasl voting page, theres some really "bad" players added to the list by the nasl admins themselves, implying they have atleast a reasonable chance, but then alot of top top europeans have had to be added by random people visiting the site. this on top of incontrol showing a complete lack of any knowledge of the european scene multiple times on stotg really has me worried that we're gonna see a huge american bias in the selection.

as harsh as this sounds im gonna be hugely disappointed if incontrol himself is placed into the league, but im 99% sure he will be. i personally wouldnt put him in the top 50 in the west, let alone the world; and if hes gonna be putting a decent amount of his time into casting i cant bet on him improving before the start of this years tourney season.

on kawaiirice specifically, i think if anyone has seen his play recently, hes been hugely impressive, the only reason it hasnt won him titles is that hes improved so much during the tourney downtime; hes looking like a beast just as the right time

ninja edit:

On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.


while this is true, would you say that the 5 player per team rule is also something that we should of "waited out"? the rule got flamed to shit because it appeared to be designed almost specifically to piss of team liquid. if people dont raise concerns now then theres no hope for season 1.



GET SOMEEEEEEEEEE

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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 23 2011 00:45 GMT
#37
To be fair, TSL has history on its side versus NASL, which is just starting up.
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
March 23 2011 00:46 GMT
#38
The TSL is probably the msot well produced tournament after the GSL. Especially considering the circumstances that it's given as being online, different countries, all the write ups and everything and that it's done by volunteers. It's amazing. It rivals even IEM. So I mean of course it doesn't have as much hype lol
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
March 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#39
I don't really get the comparison with TSL. Yes, TSL and other tournaments have had very polished production, but we haven't really seen anything to suggest that NASL production will be anything short of amazing.

I do get your gripes about the tournament format, player choices, and rules. But I do like that some tournaments like NASL are experimenting with how many players they invite; there are definitely upsides and downsides to invite tourneys and qualification tourneys. Besides, iirc isn't there an open component to the tournament as well?

As for the player choices, I can't really comment until I see who they actually invite. Still, its drawing a lot of the right attention from foreign and korean players.

Finally, I'm optimistic about NASL improving their rules. They've already made some changes and I'm sure they will continue to do so over the first few seasons as they gain experience with this kind of event.

Overall I'm optimistic about the NASL and how it will turn out. IMO a lot of the grumblings about the NASL are as a result of it being hyped up quite a bit so far in advance. I guess some people were hoping for something which would take esports to the next level and got a little disappointed. It certainly has that potential, though I would still be incredibly happy if this was just a well run, solid NA league. Only time will tell.
hot fuh days
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
March 23 2011 00:55 GMT
#40
im pretty concerned, but we need to wait it out as Kennigit said. there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff we simply do not know about.
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