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Ya, they certainly did not handle the announcement well at all, so rather than tons of excitement, they got tons of criticism, some justified, some not. I am excited, but not as much as I could've been. So, I definitely agree with you on that point. The others... not so much.
The website they have now is purely for the announcement, and they are creating an better website for the actual league: (from the NASL Q&A Thread)
Question: Is the website a temporary solution until we see the results of a few seasons?
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This is a temporary website (a teaser site). We are building a website!
Whether or not they're selecting the best players is completely subjective. I feel that no matter who they pick, they will have 50 god damned amazing players playing in the league. If a player deserves to be in the league, they have two chances to qualify for the next season.
I'm not sure what you mean about it being implied that there was a hard cap on the number of Koreans that could participate. Unless you can back that up with a source, that's just the way you interpreted their statements. I remember them saying that it wasn't going to be 50 koreans and would be focused on NA and Europe.
I think we should be applauding NASL for changing the 5 players/team rule, rather than criticizing them in the first place. They had their reasons for including that rule, which were good reasons. They just hadn't thought of an adequate solution to it until Tyler and the community discussed it. They listened, and made the change, which is fantastic.
The TSL isn't just a ragtag assortment of random people like you make it out to be. They've done 2 TSLs before, plus plenty of TL Opens and other productions. These guys aren't new to this, that's why TSL is so good.
You could've just talked about how the announcement and its fallout have decreased your excitement, and that you're more excited for all the other tournaments because of that, and I would've been with you. You just seem to be grasping for more arguments that just aren't there.
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^ WOW Well said Mr. Infested Archon. Well said.
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On March 23 2011 11:38 Hoju wrote:The website they have now is purely for the announcement, and they are creating an better website for the actual league: (from the NASL Q&A Thread) Show nested quote +Question: Is the website a temporary solution until we see the results of a few seasons?
Answer:
This is a temporary website (a teaser site). We are building a website!
Temporary in no way means it has to be bad. That's pretty much the worst excuse possible.
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Yeah "temporary website" translates as "we don't have the time to make anything better right now so here's something shitty so you'll get off our backs about a website"
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Starcraft has a huge history of talking shit up that then sucks ass. We'll know in the first week if the NASL is for real or not. Until then there's nothing to do but hype and hope.
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iNcontroL
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Yes exactly. Since judging GSL in the first week would have been really wise.
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On March 23 2011 12:56 iNcontroL wrote:
Yes exactly. Since judging GSL in the first week would have been really wise.
So you're defending the first week being bad before it's even happened? Great way to start it off
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iNcontroL
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lol
You get that from my post?
How about I was arguing we shouldn't judge anything off of a week? Good or fucking bad.
jesus christ.
It's a 3 month tourney.. why would we look at the first week and judge it either way? If it's good they NEED to keep it good. If it's bad they NEED to make it good, am I right?
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why do people seem to want nasl to fail? All this hostility geez.
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On March 23 2011 12:56 iNcontroL wrote:
Yes exactly. Since judging GSL in the first week would have been really wise.
The fundamental building blocks of the GSL broadcast haven't changed since the first week. The polish has gone up and the bugs have been worked out nicely, but it's still the same production.
Anyways, I don't know why you wouldn't respond with "We will be ready to kill it" instead of "Other things have been lackluster and improved".
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On March 23 2011 13:07 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
You get that from my post?
How about I was arguing we shouldn't judge anything off of a week? Good or fucking bad.
jesus christ.
It's a 3 month tourney.. why would we look at the first week and judge it either way? If it's good they NEED to keep it good. If it's bad they NEED to make it good, am I right?
Inc, you always jump all over shit so quickly dude.
For everyone saying something hesitant or even neutral about the NASL, there's 10 people saying ridiculous shit like it's the future of eSports.
My exact point was let's see what product is delivered before we make any comments on it. Until then let's hope it's amazing and hype it.
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On March 23 2011 13:07 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
You get that from my post?
How about I was arguing we shouldn't judge anything off of a week? Good or fucking bad.
jesus christ.
It's a 3 month tourney.. why would we look at the first week and judge it either way? If it's good they NEED to keep it good. If it's bad they NEED to make it good, am I right?
Well why wouldn't you just respond by saying "We're going to be ready and be fucking awesome!" instead of what you posted?
edit: oh Chill said this 2 posts above. oops
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iNcontroL
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On March 23 2011 13:11 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 13:07 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
You get that from my post?
How about I was arguing we shouldn't judge anything off of a week? Good or fucking bad.
jesus christ.
It's a 3 month tourney.. why would we look at the first week and judge it either way? If it's good they NEED to keep it good. If it's bad they NEED to make it good, am I right? Inc, you always jump all over shit so quickly dude. For everyone saying something hesitant or even neutral about the NASL, there's 10 people saying ridiculous shit like it's the future of eSports. My exact point was let's see what product is delivered before we make any comments on it. Until then let's hope it's amazing and hype it.
And my point is give it more than a week.
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A lot of the criticism was on it's proposed policies, and now it's recent player list. A lot were reverted and changed and that's a good thing, but it also drew negative attention to it. Basically the NASL is already going on, just not in the sense that any games have been played. Basically that first day of the NASL is going to have a lot of speculation. Hopefully the way it is broadcasted is nothing like the showmatch because there was so many flaws during that
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Why isn't it hyped? Because it has no history yet and you're not hyping it up yourself.
Try writing something about it. Anything at all to try and add hype. Maybe you'll get what you want.
TSL, the guys have been doing great in getting all sorts of hype in through videos, pictures, and posts. Then, the community adds to it with their own excitements and fan arts. Of course it's going to be hyped. You want it to be hyped. Now do the same for NASL.
As for the product itself, who knows? We'll see it after it comes out. Faith in Xeris though, the dude seems legit. 
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On March 23 2011 13:08 LuckyFool wrote:
why do people seem to want nasl to fail? All this hostility geez.
You're bad at reading.
No one here wants NASL to fail. In fact its precisely because they care so much about the idea of it being a success that they point out things that are wrong with it so that they can be fixed.
Personally I think the idea of trying to focus on players that are not the best in a tournament is pointless, so I have little to no interest in the NASL anyway until it inevitably becomes Korean dominated.
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I think it's mostly due to the prestige of the TSL. Until NASL can produce amazing games like TSL2 did you won't have the same feeling...
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On March 23 2011 13:15 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 13:11 Chill wrote:On March 23 2011 13:07 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
You get that from my post?
How about I was arguing we shouldn't judge anything off of a week? Good or fucking bad.
jesus christ.
It's a 3 month tourney.. why would we look at the first week and judge it either way? If it's good they NEED to keep it good. If it's bad they NEED to make it good, am I right? Inc, you always jump all over shit so quickly dude. For everyone saying something hesitant or even neutral about the NASL, there's 10 people saying ridiculous shit like it's the future of eSports. My exact point was let's see what product is delivered before we make any comments on it. Until then let's hope it's amazing and hype it. And my point is give it more than a week.
Why? If you've been planning it this long, it should explode onto the scene. I can understand looking to improve after the first season, but if the first week isn't an example of how good the whole first season will be, that seems pretty nonsensical.
The first week of games, whether you like it or not, will be used to judge how good the NASL will be on an extended basis. It is not as if you have been forced into starting this up before you were ready. Several people have commented that the whole thing seems sort of rushed, with decisions not finalized and changes having to be made on the fly.
That may or may not be true, but the fact remains that, especially after the disastrous production quality of the Jinro/IdrA showmatch, the NASL has to come out with all guns blazing to silence the doubts, and you can't come in here saying "It might suck first week or so, give us a month or so to make it good". Its going to be one of the biggest tournaments in the Western world. It has to be good from the very start.
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On March 23 2011 13:58 Dhalphir wrote:
Why? If you've been planning it this long, it should explode onto the scene. I can understand looking to improve after the first season, but if the first week isn't an example of how good the whole first season will be, that seems pretty nonsensical.
The first week of games, whether you like it or not, will be used to judge how good the NASL will be on an extended basis. It is not as if you have been forced into starting this up before you were ready. Several people have commented that the whole thing seems sort of rushed, with decisions not finalized and changes having to be made on the fly.
That may or may not be true, but the fact remains that, especially after the disastrous production quality of the Jinro/IdrA showmatch, the NASL has to come out with all guns blazing to silence the doubts, and you can't come in here saying "It might suck first week or so, give us a month or so to make it good". Its going to be one of the biggest tournaments in the Western world. It has to be good from the very start.
While ideally you would want something to explode onto the scene, you can never quite tell how something will work till it goes live. I'm sure they thought there show match would be the bee's knee's, it ended up falling short on everyone expectations (after the weeks of announcements before the announcement) but probably showed them a number of area's they could improve upon, same thing could go the the 1st day or 3 of the broadcast of the NASL, I am sure they will do the damnedest to put on the greatest show on earth, and if there are any niggles all they asking is for a week to iron them out.
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On March 23 2011 13:50 Dhalphir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 13:08 LuckyFool wrote:
why do people seem to want nasl to fail? All this hostility geez. You're bad at reading. No one here wants NASL to fail. In fact its precisely because they care so much about the idea of it being a success that they point out things that are wrong with it so that they can be fixed. Personally I think the idea of trying to focus on players that are not the best in a tournament is pointless, so I have little to no interest in the NASL anyway until it inevitably becomes Korean dominated.
I read everything. I'm commenting on underlying tones I feel not only from this thread but from elsewhere in the sc2 community.
And I agree with you I suppose people don't want it to actually fail but people are saying harsh things before a single game has even been played.
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