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$400k isn't as much hype as chill and wheat

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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 23:23 GMT
#1
talking about brackets on ustream for a while.

Honestly, I've been trying really hard not to rag on NASL. I want this to be a good idea, and I want it to succeed. I went into it believing that the people involved(Russell Pfister and Xeris, namely) were basically the right kind of people for the job. At the very least Incontrol would be dedicated to making it work.

But I just don't have much faith now. The video apps were a good idea but other than that, I just can't really name anything that they got right. The announcement of the tournament sucked. The website is some first semester of web design crap. The format for selecting players(ie having an invitational instead of an open tournament) annoys me. The player selection itself is kind of suspect so far, and when they released the rules they had at least two bad rules that they ended up having to reverse(good on them for doing so, granted). The announcement of the first group of players was botched.

Other than the app videos, there's no significant hype. Every time I see "NASL" I don't feel excited, I just feel worried about another bad decision or botched announcement.

Then I look at TSL. A couple of forum admins and community members come together and every god damned piece of content is amazing. Everything. It almost reminds me of how the King of the Beta tournament was the best produced tournament from the end of the beta until the start of the GSL(maybe even until the ro8 of the first GSL) and it was basically thrown together by a couple of guys with no experience.

Please don't make me sad, NASL. I want it to work.

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Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
March 22 2011 23:24 GMT
#2
What two rules did they reverse?
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 23:26 GMT
#3
-Limited numbers of Koreans(they claimed that this wasn't really a rule, but the way NASL was presented at first heavily implied it)
-Max 5 players per team
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 22 2011 23:26 GMT
#4
TSL is so awesome that it overshadows lots of things. I wouldn't worry too much until it starts, just be glad on how awesome TSL is ^^
Jaedong :3
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
March 22 2011 23:29 GMT
#5
Just wait until it starts then you can start judging. It's pretty early, but I think the league itself should be awesome.
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 23:31 GMT
#6
On March 23 2011 08:29 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
Just wait until it starts then you can start judging. It's pretty early, but I think the league itself should be awesome.


I hope so, but given what's happened so far, if season 1 rolls around and has a ton of issues and they say "Yeah, sorry, this was just a preview for season 2 so tune in for that it'll be awesome" I'm going to be a very disgruntled consumer.
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BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
March 22 2011 23:31 GMT
#7
On March 23 2011 08:29 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
Just wait until it starts then you can start judging. It's pretty early, but I think the league itself should be awesome.

yes we don't even have all the info yet don't hate just to hate.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
March 22 2011 23:33 GMT
#8
I do think the league is going to be well produced and provide many great games. However, I find it impossible to believe that they will actually profit from it.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
March 22 2011 23:35 GMT
#9
What players do you think are suspect?
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 23:38:14
March 22 2011 23:37 GMT
#10
On March 23 2011 08:35 Zorkmid wrote:
What players do you think are suspect?

Probably the ones that are not Koreans since it seems to be what's upsetting everyone.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 23:40 GMT
#11
On March 23 2011 08:35 Zorkmid wrote:
What players do you think are suspect?

Mainly I don't think Catz or Kawaiirice have displayed the kind of impressive results that I'd expect from a league looking to invite the top 50 players in the world. To a lesser extent Haypro and Cruncher but I'm going to not criticize those because with Cruncher they may have just invited all the TSL qualifiers and with Haypro... well, the internal TL tournament was pretty impressive. He also showed a lot of skill vs Ganzi, a lot more than some other players I can think of.

The invite list so far would be boring but pretty much immune to my criticism if it were the top 50 players in NA/EU and not just the best in the world. I don't think their support for Koreans is as great as it ought to be to hold a best-in-the-world type of tournament so far. I mean, they even said that they were going to contact Korean teams, and apparently didn't do it, or at least they didn't before the application deadline, after which point the teams that applied(FOX, Startale, oGs, and one player from SlayerS) did it on their own. That's worrying, is all I'm saying.
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Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
March 22 2011 23:42 GMT
#12
i would rather have nasl than no nasl at all. it's just another tournament to look forward to, what's bad about that? also it hasn't started yet.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 22 2011 23:49 GMT
#13
On March 23 2011 08:42 Diglett wrote:
i would rather have nasl than no nasl at all. it's just another tournament to look forward to, what's bad about that? also it hasn't started yet.

What's bad about it is that I feel they've been sloppy every step of the way so far and I want them to take it easy and get things right. It's the little bit of extra care that makes the difference.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:03:50
March 22 2011 23:56 GMT
#14
before we get another topic derailed by "well atleast their trying/havent seen you do better/why dont you give them a chance". the only reason people are being so critical of the NASL from day one is that this is the western scenes big chance to break out into the mainstream. people are 'upset' because they care.

the only thing that worries me is how the players are selected. looking through the nasl voting page, theres some really "bad" players added to the list by the nasl admins themselves, implying they have atleast a reasonable chance, but then alot of top top europeans have had to be added by random people visiting the site. this on top of incontrol showing a complete lack of any knowledge of the european scene multiple times on stotg really has me worried that we're gonna see a huge american bias in the selection.

as harsh as this sounds im gonna be hugely disappointed if incontrol himself is placed into the league, but im 99% sure he will be. i personally wouldnt put him in the top 50 in the west, let alone the world; and if hes gonna be putting a decent amount of his time into casting i cant bet on him improving before the start of this years tourney season.

on kawaiirice specifically, i think if anyone has seen his play recently, hes been hugely impressive, the only reason it hasnt won him titles is that hes improved so much during the tourney downtime; hes looking like a beast just as the right time

ninja edit:

On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.


while this is true, would you say that the 5 player per team rule is also something that we should of "waited out"? the rule got flamed to shit because it appeared to be designed almost specifically to piss of team liquid. if people dont raise concerns now then theres no hope for season 1.

CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
March 22 2011 23:57 GMT
#15
On March 23 2011 08:40 Turgid wrote:
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On March 23 2011 08:35 Zorkmid wrote:
What players do you think are suspect?

Mainly I don't think Catz or Kawaiirice have displayed the kind of impressive results that I'd expect from a league looking to invite the top 50 players in the world.

Yeah cause beating players like Ret bo3 isn't any sort of testimony to your skill or anything.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
March 22 2011 23:57 GMT
#16
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 22 2011 23:58 GMT
#17
On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.


Ye my thoughts exactly.

Don't grade the test before it's handed in.
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
March 22 2011 23:59 GMT
#18
I wrote a rant on the thread about this, that you summed up perfectly in this blog. As far as the resources available go..every moment of this tournament should be polished and worth my excitement. Everything they've actually had to physically produce has came out looking half-assed and lackluster.. They need to put some love into this thing and make it magical..
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
March 23 2011 00:01 GMT
#19
You seem to be down playing the amount of work that goes into TSL. They put such a ridiculous amount of work into that tournament and people don't seem to realize this. They start planning months and months ahead getting everything sorted and once it starts they work non stop to make sure it runs as smoothly as possible.

It's no wonder that it is/was always one of the best (if not the best) non-korean sc1/sc2 tournaments with all the shit they have to do and the amount of knowledge and experience that the organizers, writers and video makers have.
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 23 2011 00:04 GMT
#20
On March 23 2011 08:57 Kennigit wrote:
I have lots of concerns/potential criticisms too, but i think its best to see what the broadcast/league is actually like before making forming a concrete opinion. Wait it out.

Honestly, I don't think it's jumping the gun at all to express concerns based on what we've seen so far. I'm not PukinDog. I haven't made any claims about NASL shitting on western esports or anything like that. I'm saying that the content released so far has been problematic and that's very worrying; it's also done a poor job of hyping me up. It seems reasonable to me to be worried.
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