While the title may seem obvious (duh he's a pro gamer), what I mean is he is very creative and can make things happen. It's not an ABC script with LT. That's what makes him SO very fun to watch. Even when he takes a loss it promises to be an entertaining match no matter what race he plays against.
Sometimes criticized for not making enough gateways to re-up his army, I find it refreshing to see a player that can still win with out OMG he didn't lay down his 6th gateway at exactly 7 min 32 seconds type obsession with build order. He likes to dictate the match. Here is my strategy I don't care if I lose this is my game and I'm going to force you to deal with me on my terms.
From what I have gathered on LT, he has taken breaks from SC/SC2 and doesn't put 100% focus into solely playing SC. I of course am extremely envious of someone that has that much talent to be able to stay competitive without compulsive practice.
On March 14 2011 13:58 Tumba1 wrote: Sometimes criticized for not making enough gateways to re-up his army, I find it refreshing to see a player that can still win with out OMG he didn't lay down his 6th gateway at exactly 7 min 32 seconds type obsession with build order. He likes to dictate the match. Here is my strategy I don't care if I lose this is my game and I'm going to force you to deal with me on my terms.
Isn't he known from BW for extremely refined builds and mechanics?
On March 14 2011 13:58 Tumba1 wrote: Sometimes criticized for not making enough gateways to re-up his army, I find it refreshing to see a player that can still win with out OMG he didn't lay down his 6th gateway at exactly 7 min 32 seconds type obsession with build order. He likes to dictate the match. Here is my strategy I don't care if I lose this is my game and I'm going to force you to deal with me on my terms.
Isn't he known from BW for extremely refined builds and mechanics?
Yes, and same with this game when he practices for a specific game/tournament.
On March 14 2011 13:58 Tumba1 wrote: Sometimes criticized for not making enough gateways to re-up his army, I find it refreshing to see a player that can still win with out OMG he didn't lay down his 6th gateway at exactly 7 min 32 seconds type obsession with build order. He likes to dictate the match. Here is my strategy I don't care if I lose this is my game and I'm going to force you to deal with me on my terms.
Isn't he known from BW for extremely refined builds and mechanics?
I believe it was Day9 that made the statement about him consistently not making enough gates etc.
On March 14 2011 13:58 Tumba1 wrote: Sometimes criticized for not making enough gateways to re-up his army, I find it refreshing to see a player that can still win with out OMG he didn't lay down his 6th gateway at exactly 7 min 32 seconds type obsession with build order. He likes to dictate the match. Here is my strategy I don't care if I lose this is my game and I'm going to force you to deal with me on my terms.
Isn't he known from BW for extremely refined builds and mechanics?
was about to say. Are you sure he's not just adapting his style in a way you arent familiar with?
Yes. But if his macro were perfect I bet the number of gateways he currently makes would also be perfect. Hell in Brood War he used to put his buildings in the same damn spot every single time.
Hmmm sorry but Tyler is one of the best in the game at perfecting build orders and increasing his mechanics as a result. I do agree with a lot of what you said, but he probably has as much of an obsession with build orders and timings as anyone in the game. Also, his macro is better than most top players even though he might not make enough gateways from time to time; I believe that to be a result of trying to be as ruthlessly efficient as possible, which sometimes results in under producing the optimal number of gateways.
You don't seem to understand... less gateways is more optimal if you have perfect macro, at least while building up your army for a push. With these new warpgate mechanics, it's still better to get more gateways a lot of the time for immediate reinforcement. Anyway, less gateways doesn't necessarily mean worse macro! It can, in fact, mean better macro.
On March 14 2011 15:11 Incanus wrote: You don't seem to understand... less gateways is more optimal if you have perfect macro, at least while building up your army for a push. With these new warpgate mechanics, it's still better to get more gateways a lot of the time for immediate reinforcement. Anyway, less gateways doesn't necessarily mean worse macro! It can, in fact, mean better macro.
You don't seem to understand. As stated Day9 was the one that said that liquid Tyler had a propensity for not making enough unit producing structures.
So if you would like to imply Day9 doesn't understand.. good luck with THAT.
On March 14 2011 14:49 Comeh wrote: Did people really call him noonie when he played, or was it just for trolling? O.o + Show Spoiler +
Or am I just really confused and noonie is the correct pronunciation?
he stopped using nony because no one could pronounce it right,its Noonie.
this is correct. I think most people pronounced it "No knee" while its correct pronunciation was "New Knee".
I was a fan of his in broodwar because he basically defined what it meant to be Protoss. He went in to a game with these insane builds/timings and executed them flawlessly. His theoretical understanding of the game was unparalleled and when he went to Korea he placed second in courage, barely losing 3-2 to the winner.
If you don't know what courage is, its how Korean BW players got their progamer licenses. Once you win courage you get a license and are recruited by a team. iirc at that time there were only like 4 a year and it was an insanely impressive feat because he had only been in Korea for 1-2 months.
But yeah, his play in the TSL was awesome. It was also great seeing a Protoss whose best match up was PvZ and showed you exactly why that was. In TSL2 he walked through one of the most impressive line ups of players to take his thrown and if you watch the games you will see incredible micro, build order execution, and monsterous macro.
I actually remember the first replay I saw of nony back like 6 years ago and I just said to myself "This guy could be a pro gamer" even back then watching him play he macro'd flawlessly for like 25 minutes of a game. That was back when he was on rS.
Anyway, mini rant over. Long story short. Nony was a really great player. I don't watch any sc2 or I am sure I would feel the same about his play in that. As a possible answer to why he might be short on gateways sometimes. I would think Nony takes the mind set if you can't play a build perfectly, then don't play. So in a game where he demonstrates perfect macro, chances are you probably wouldn't need more gateways than whatever he makes.
On March 14 2011 14:49 Comeh wrote: Did people really call him noonie when he played, or was it just for trolling? O.o + Show Spoiler +
Or am I just really confused and noonie is the correct pronunciation?
he stopped using nony because no one could pronounce it right,its Noonie.
Wtf it was actually "Noonie?" I pronounced it "Nawny" Maybe if he put more thought into spelling his name into sounding how the person thinks it's pronounced then maybe it would've stuck (Nony is a good looking name though).
On March 14 2011 14:49 Comeh wrote: Did people really call him noonie when he played, or was it just for trolling? O.o + Show Spoiler +
Or am I just really confused and noonie is the correct pronunciation?
he stopped using nony because no one could pronounce it right,its Noonie.
Wtf it was actually "Noonie?" I pronounced it "Nawny" Maybe if he put more thought into spelling his name into sounding how the person thinks it's pronounced then maybe it would've stuck (Nony is a good looking name though).
Whoa are you serious? I always pronounced it Nony like pony. I've been pronouncing it incorrectly for over a year now and I'm a pretty big fan of his games
Maybe because that's his name IRL Mortican, but yeah it's kinda funny to see so many people who only know him second-hand through SC2, there needs to be some more diggin' done!
On March 14 2011 15:11 Incanus wrote: You don't seem to understand... less gateways is more optimal if you have perfect macro, at least while building up your army for a push. With these new warpgate mechanics, it's still better to get more gateways a lot of the time for immediate reinforcement. Anyway, less gateways doesn't necessarily mean worse macro! It can, in fact, mean better macro.
You don't seem to understand. As stated Day9 was the one that said that liquid Tyler had a propensity for not making enough unit producing structures.
So if you would like to imply Day9 doesn't understand.. good luck with THAT.
lol, heaven forbid Day9 could be wrong in anything ever!
In any case, what he was actually saying was that since Nony has such tight builds and macro, he thinks he can get away with less gates than other players, which sometimes leads to him not having enough gates if his macro slips or he wants to reinforce quickly after battles. Nony's been known for his extremely thought-out and practiced builds since BW and this whole not enough gates thing doesn't disprove it, it actually backs it up.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume he pronounces his own name correctly.
I might be wrong but I thought the story was that Artosis and Tasteless kept on mispronouncing it "NewKnee" and it stuck since they reached the masses through their casting. It has gotten to the point where I think Tyler actually pronounces it NewKnew as well. But originally it was supposed to be No-nie.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume he pronounces his own name correctly.
I might be wrong but I thought the story was that Artosis and Tasteless kept on mispronouncing it "NewKnee" and it stuck since they reached the masses through their casting. It has gotten to the point where I think Tyler actually pronounces it NewKnew as well. But originally it was supposed to be No-nie.
Nony is a nickname that my brother gave me when I was about 5 and he was about 7. It doesn't have any meaning at all. It is pronounced like the words 'knew' and 'knee'. Knew-knee with equal emphasis on both syllables. He still calls me that today and my friends called me that when I was a child."
I think it's funny how all these people didn't know how to pronounce his name haha I've only been apart of the community for a little over a year and a half now (back when BW was still the talk of the town) and even I knew it Would love to see nony win tsl. Would be so~~ sick if we had a defending champion -- slash I'm just a really big fan heh
I am going to go out on a limb and assume he pronounces his own name correctly.
I might be wrong but I thought the story was that Artosis and Tasteless kept on mispronouncing it "NewKnee" and it stuck since they reached the masses through their casting. It has gotten to the point where I think Tyler actually pronounces it NewKnew as well. But originally it was supposed to be No-nie.
No. It is the opposite.
"New Knee" is the correct pronounciation. Of course people would start pronouncing it "No Knee" when they did not know the correct pronounciation, because that's how it looks like it should be pronounced.
Also, "Tyler" is pronounced "Tai Ler", not "teeler". For some reason people have started propagating this misspelling/mispronounciation, which started as a joke based on the fact that everyone mispronounced his former nick.
Unlike all the other foreign players, nony is a progamer
This makes him better and stand out amongst all the other gamers
You know this, because when he was in korea, whilst it is a shame he dropped out, the other progamers described him as "someone with a talent to be an A level teamer" - i.e he is a genuine progamer
Nony is the kinda guy who can just win TSL because hes that awesome
I agree, this post would have been more appropriate for his fanpage; however, I share your sentiment! NoNy is an amazing player. I've been a huge fan of his since he won TSL2. He used a probe to beat IdrA in a key match. Who can say they used a single worker and won a game in a tournament like TSL? That's right, NoNy can.
EPT
Would love to see nony win tsl. Would be so~~ sick if we had a defending champion -- slash I'm just a really big fan heh
