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fenixdown
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Colombia320 Posts
March 14 2011 08:57 GMT
#121
There are retards everywhere, luckily they are not the majority but to be on the safe side go away from that facebook crap

And the people saying that Korea or China have "more" reasons to hate Japan, STFU, there is no reasons to justify such an horrible disaster like what hit Japan.
I love protoss because it is tough and straight. It is a race for the men. - Reach
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
March 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#122
On March 14 2011 12:37 Tzel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 12:15 Sm3agol wrote:
On March 14 2011 11:37 Tzel wrote:
Fire bombing of 67 Japanese Cities: ~500,000 total (plus 5 million left homeless)
Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: ~150,000 - 226,000
Total of roughly 690,000 people killed, the majority civilians.

Pearl Harbor death toll: 2,350 killed, with sixty-eight civilians.

(figures were pulled from wikipedia, so fingers crossed about this being accurate)


That's right America, a national disaster was God's divine punishment for us losing three people for every thousand that Japan lost in these one-sided attacks. This is why I'm moving to a different country.

Good farking riddance. You are the exact kind of biased person we don't need.
Comparing those two things shows exactly zero understanding of history. But who the heck cares about facts and history? Better listen to US haters on the internet. Much better source of information. You're just as bad as the people you say you hate.


So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor.

Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why?

This isn't SC. Just because "they can't counter it" doesn't mean that it's cheap and lame, and that we shouldn't have bombed them. We were in an all-out war with japan, and despite us brutally kicking their butt all over the Pacific by that point in the war, they still refused to surrender, and were still mounting counter-attacks. They hadn't given up, and were still fighting everywhere. If anything, they were the inhumane idiots for continuing a war they hadn't even the slightest hope of winning. Their own leaders and code of honor got millions of their own people killed because they refused to surrender when they knew they were hopelessly beaten. Japan should have surrendered after Midway or Guadacanal. At that point in the war, there was no coming back. They lost whatever advantage they gained at Pearl Harbor, and there was no way they were going to compete with the US war machine in the long run. If we had not bombed Japan's civilian infrastructure, there is no telling how much longer the war would have carried on, and the only guaranteed fact was that not bombing them would not have saved any Japanese lives, and would only have costed the US thousands more in casualties.

To put it in a wierdly fitting SC2 setting. The US was the Terran up 10 bases to the Japanese zergs 1. The US is on Tier 5, and the Japanese have been blasted back to tier 2. The US has 500 marines, 10 BCs, 10 banshees, 20 tanks, and 5 ghosts. The Japanese have 100 banelings, zero anti-air, zero detection, and no production, just 60 idle drones and a hatch.
What would you do? First of all, the Japanese should have gg'ed about 5 minutes ago. But if they refuse.....what would you do? Attack with the marines or attack with the banshees and BCs? The end result to the Japanese people would have been the same.....the only difference is one way gets thousands of your own soldiers killed, while the other does not.

The reason you can't compare Pearl Harbor and the US bombing of Japan was that Pearl Harbor was an attempt at a 1 shot kill of the US. It was the only way possible to try and start the war on a somewhat even footing for the Japanese. They almost succeeded. Directly attacking civilians would have had zero effect on the American war machine, and would have been a waste of resources.


The US bombing of Japan was an attempt to end the war without physically invading Japan. I'll restate. Not bombing Japan(nukes, firebombs, etc) would not have saved Japanese lives or cities. It would only have resulted in thousands of additional US deaths as well as MORE destruction of Japanese infrastructure and more civilian casualties to the more indirect side of war, not to mention the Japanese plans to arm thousands of civilians with bamboo spears and banzai charge the US on the beach. The only ones at fault for the US bombing of Japan were the Japanese leaders for not ending the war sooner. It was painfully obvious after the late-war battles of Leyte Gulf and Iwo Jima that the US could never lose to Japan, and carrying on the war would have zero effect on the war's outcome. And yet the Japanese fought on for another year and a half. Heck, even AFTER the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, there was a threat of a military coupe overthrowing the Japanese government which was considering surrender and forcing the war to go on even longer.

So I'll ask again. Why was it the US' fault for bombing Japan? Do you really just not know anything about the war, and just listen to random internet haters and random Wiki facts and form your opinions about an entire country from it? Really? Because you're obviously so much smarter and have so much more knowledge than people like MacAurthur and Truman. Do you honestly think the US believed it could have ended the war sooner with less casualties, and yet refused to do so?
Tzel
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States72 Posts
March 14 2011 21:20 GMT
#123
On March 14 2011 21:43 Sm3agol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 12:37 Tzel wrote:
On March 14 2011 12:15 Sm3agol wrote:
On March 14 2011 11:37 Tzel wrote:
Fire bombing of 67 Japanese Cities: ~500,000 total (plus 5 million left homeless)
Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: ~150,000 - 226,000
Total of roughly 690,000 people killed, the majority civilians.

Pearl Harbor death toll: 2,350 killed, with sixty-eight civilians.

(figures were pulled from wikipedia, so fingers crossed about this being accurate)


That's right America, a national disaster was God's divine punishment for us losing three people for every thousand that Japan lost in these one-sided attacks. This is why I'm moving to a different country.

Good farking riddance. You are the exact kind of biased person we don't need.
Comparing those two things shows exactly zero understanding of history. But who the heck cares about facts and history? Better listen to US haters on the internet. Much better source of information. You're just as bad as the people you say you hate.


So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor.

Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why?

This isn't SC. Just because "they can't counter it" doesn't mean that it's cheap and lame, and that we shouldn't have bombed them. We were in an all-out war with japan, and despite us brutally kicking their butt all over the Pacific by that point in the war, they still refused to surrender, and were still mounting counter-attacks. They hadn't given up, and were still fighting everywhere. If anything, they were the inhumane idiots for continuing a war they hadn't even the slightest hope of winning. Their own leaders and code of honor got millions of their own people killed because they refused to surrender when they knew they were hopelessly beaten. Japan should have surrendered after Midway or Guadacanal. At that point in the war, there was no coming back. They lost whatever advantage they gained at Pearl Harbor, and there was no way they were going to compete with the US war machine in the long run. If we had not bombed Japan's civilian infrastructure, there is no telling how much longer the war would have carried on, and the only guaranteed fact was that not bombing them would not have saved any Japanese lives, and would only have costed the US thousands more in casualties.

To put it in a wierdly fitting SC2 setting. The US was the Terran up 10 bases to the Japanese zergs 1. The US is on Tier 5, and the Japanese have been blasted back to tier 2. The US has 500 marines, 10 BCs, 10 banshees, 20 tanks, and 5 ghosts. The Japanese have 100 banelings, zero anti-air, zero detection, and no production, just 60 idle drones and a hatch.
What would you do? First of all, the Japanese should have gg'ed about 5 minutes ago. But if they refuse.....what would you do? Attack with the marines or attack with the banshees and BCs? The end result to the Japanese people would have been the same.....the only difference is one way gets thousands of your own soldiers killed, while the other does not.

The reason you can't compare Pearl Harbor and the US bombing of Japan was that Pearl Harbor was an attempt at a 1 shot kill of the US. It was the only way possible to try and start the war on a somewhat even footing for the Japanese. They almost succeeded. Directly attacking civilians would have had zero effect on the American war machine, and would have been a waste of resources.


The US bombing of Japan was an attempt to end the war without physically invading Japan. I'll restate. Not bombing Japan(nukes, firebombs, etc) would not have saved Japanese lives or cities. It would only have resulted in thousands of additional US deaths as well as MORE destruction of Japanese infrastructure and more civilian casualties to the more indirect side of war, not to mention the Japanese plans to arm thousands of civilians with bamboo spears and banzai charge the US on the beach. The only ones at fault for the US bombing of Japan were the Japanese leaders for not ending the war sooner. It was painfully obvious after the late-war battles of Leyte Gulf and Iwo Jima that the US could never lose to Japan, and carrying on the war would have zero effect on the war's outcome. And yet the Japanese fought on for another year and a half. Heck, even AFTER the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, there was a threat of a military coupe overthrowing the Japanese government which was considering surrender and forcing the war to go on even longer.

So I'll ask again. Why was it the US' fault for bombing Japan? Do you really just not know anything about the war, and just listen to random internet haters and random Wiki facts and form your opinions about an entire country from it? Really? Because you're obviously so much smarter and have so much more knowledge than people like MacAurthur and Truman. Do you honestly think the US believed it could have ended the war sooner with less casualties, and yet refused to do so?



Ah... I think we have had a misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to say that it's the US' fault for bombing Japan. I'm not trying to say I would've made a better decision in Truman's shoes. I wouldn't've. I'm not trying to say that the US is horrible because of what they did during a state of war in which they did not even strike first. I'm not saying their choices were ill-thought.

I was trying to show my disgust that people would actually say that a natural disaster was retribution for Pearl Harbor, when far more casualties occurred in other events in the same time period. Saying a tsunami was a comeback for the events of Pearl Harbor would mean that the US should be expecting an apocalypse, as well as countless other countries - the entire world has a blood-filled history, so why aren't we all dead for the atrocities we've committed, since this earthquake and tsunami were retribution for such a (relatively) small amount of casualties?

Obviously I did that poorly, and for that I apologize for any offense I have caused. I'll be more careful with my wording in the future.
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