Wow, this pisses me off

On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote:
but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths.

On March 13 2011 18:06 oBlade wrote:

I hope not per capita. It may appear that way since we are one of the most populous nations, and also because the comments are easy for you to observe since you share the English language and access to technology. For instance, you don't know how many people are saying stupid things in bars in Russia. Beware the perceptual bias.

On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote:
This is what happens in a country that's ruled by horrible media and nationalism.

Goad Japan into attacking.

Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan.

Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later.


EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore."

I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance?

I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance?

On March 13 2011 18:43 Souma wrote:


I don't think being a developed country has anything to do with it. In fact, one can argue it brings about elitism and even more bigotry. It all depends on the individual. Just remember that these guys are by no means a majority; they are, in the end, just a handful. What they're saying is disgusting, but what is even more disgusting are people who lump this country together through the bigotry of a vocal minority.

Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States?

On March 13 2011 19:02 Zerokaiser wrote:I know that the United States isn't a country of idiots and bigots.

On March 13 2011 19:41 Roe wrote:
wait I thought China was the one to attack pearl harbour?
Why have people been telling me that in WoW trade chat all this time...

On March 13 2011 18:11 ArvickHero wrote:
I'm glad none of this garbage ended up in my FB news stream, otherwise I would've started a fuckin war with whichever idiot spewed such trash

On March 13 2011 19:49 guN-viCe wrote:
Pearl Harbor: 2,403 deaths

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki

Yay for ignorance !

On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote:
This is what happens in a country that's ruled by horrible media and nationalism.

Goad Japan into attacking.

Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan.

Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later.


EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore."

I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance?

On March 13 2011 19:41 Roe wrote:
wait I thought China was the one to attack pearl harbour?
Why have people been telling me that in WoW trade chat all this time...
Well OP, I don't find this new at all. They're the same breed of human as the holocaust deniers, the anti-Semites, the KKK, the black panthers, neo-nazis, the list goes on. The only difference is we have some relative level of freedom of speech which allows these gremlins to come out of the woodwork background of national conversation.

On March 13 2011 21:51 fush wrote:


are you serious? this makes me sad coming from a fellow canadian, but don't you think people generalizing americans as a whole over a few idiotic posters on facebook aren't much better than the people they're ridiculing? why don't you take a stat about the number of american sympathetic posts over this and compare to the number who say shit like this before making your grand conclusion?

i'd say the sheep who flock to a bandwagon of anti-americanism is pretty much exactly the same phenomenon that causes these idiots to post what they did about pearl harbor, is it not?

On March 13 2011 21:51 fush wrote:


are you serious? this makes me sad coming from a fellow canadian, but don't you think people generalizing americans as a whole over a few idiotic posters on facebook aren't much better than the people they're ridiculing? why don't you take a stat about the number of american sympathetic posts over this and compare to the number who say shit like this before making your grand conclusion?

On March 14 2011 00:51 Kukaracha wrote:
Meh, what about this:

9/11 was a chilean payback for the 9/11 coup on Salvador Allende.

Take that, fat retards!


And I don't agree with Torenhire, I've been to the States and it has an amazing ratio of people who are rich but completely illogical and ignorant. It's amazing! I mean I've been through Europe, and most higher classes have a certain understanding... but this doesn't apply to the US, somehow.

I mean Ronald Reagan was a frigging actor and TV anchor! It's like the UK electing Sean Connery as their prime minister...

On March 13 2011 23:30 Bergys wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTWJo7a9l0

The fact like places like that even exists raises them above average on the idiot-scale lol.

On March 14 2011 01:51 FakePlasticLove wrote:
Would this be more acceptable if it was by a Korean or a Chinese? (I know tons of Koreans and netizens who are glad it's Japan)

If Japan has to feel bad about a war crime, Pearl Harbor definitely ain't it.

On March 14 2011 01:56 Torenhire wrote:


I don't think anyone here is trying to justify it. I wasn't trying to justify it with my post, either, I was just saying that you can't base a country on a vocal group of people. People that post things like this on facebook or anything similar aren't what the US is about. Japan has nothing to feel bad about, nor does the US (imo)...shit happens and what was done is done. It was in the 1940s for crying out loud, we can't go back in time and undo Pearl Harbor. We can't undo dropping the bombs. People have no reason to even correlate the Earthquake to Pearl Harbor, they're just being idiots.

If you're going to let your thoughts of people you don't even know be decided by people's stupid postings on Facebook, you're making a mistake.

On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote:
This is what happens in a country that's ruled by horrible media and nationalism.

Goad Japan into attacking.

Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan.

Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later.


EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore."

I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance?

On March 14 2011 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote:


I agree with everything in this post except for the "goad Japan into attacking" part.

That part is debatable, and IMO, false.

America [goaded] Japan into attacking.

Denying a military power oil is an act of terrorism, bro.

Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States?

Cliches are there for a reason!

On March 14 2011 10:04 Kukaracha wrote:
Again, I've been in the US and I've noticed an unusual trend of wealthy ignorants. Something quite unusual that created the whole cliche of the "dumb American".

Cliches are there for a reason! Not saying that Americans are stupid in general, but there's a certain population that's rich enough to obtain a good education and who don't, and that's what so special. It's not what you would expect from such abundance and power.

On March 14 2011 10:10 419 wrote:

The problem with that statement is you can use that to circularly justify evidence-unsupported prejudices...(e.g. X group is intrinsically dumb/lazy/uneducated -- well, I wouldn't think that if they weren't that that way, would I?)

Wait a second...

(PPS -- the spread of internet instant communication has not necessarily increased stupidity. It just made it more visible.

Back in the days of the Pony Express, only John Doe Douchebag's immediate neighborhood would know he was an idiot. Now he can twitter it and demonstrate that fact to the entire world.)

On March 14 2011 10:23 Comeh wrote:
Eh, every country has ignorant idiots spouting bullshit all over the place.
We are just the one that has the most publicity behind it.

On March 13 2011 18:28 Patriot.dlk wrote:


Really good post imo

Goad Japan into attacking

Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan.

Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later.

I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance?

On March 14 2011 11:37 Tzel wrote:
Fire bombing of 67 Japanese Cities: ~500,000 total (plus 5 million left homeless)
Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: ~150,000 - 226,000
Total of roughly 690,000 people killed, the majority civilians.

Pearl Harbor death toll: 2,350 killed, with sixty-eight civilians.

(figures were pulled from wikipedia, so fingers crossed about this being accurate)


That's right America, a national disaster was God's divine punishment for us losing three people for every thousand that Japan lost in these one-sided attacks. This is why I'm moving to a different country.

On March 14 2011 12:15 Sm3agol wrote:

Good farking riddance. You are the exact kind of biased person we don't need.
Comparing those two things shows exactly zero understanding of history. But who the heck cares about facts and history? Better listen to US haters on the internet. Much better source of information. You're just as bad as the people you say you hate.

On March 14 2011 12:37 Tzel wrote:


So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor.

Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why?

On March 14 2011 13:36 Cider wrote:


What is your definition of neutral that leads you to believe that the US was neutral in WWII leading up to Pearl Harbor?

On March 14 2011 12:37 Tzel wrote:


So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor.

Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why?

On March 14 2011 21:43 Sm3agol wrote:

This isn't SC. Just because "they can't counter it" doesn't mean that it's cheap and lame, and that we shouldn't have bombed them. We were in an all-out war with japan, and despite us brutally kicking their butt all over the Pacific by that point in the war, they still refused to surrender, and were still mounting counter-attacks. They hadn't given up, and were still fighting everywhere. If anything, they were the inhumane idiots for continuing a war they hadn't even the slightest hope of winning. Their own leaders and code of honor got millions of their own people killed because they refused to surrender when they knew they were hopelessly beaten. Japan should have surrendered after Midway or Guadacanal. At that point in the war, there was no coming back. They lost whatever advantage they gained at Pearl Harbor, and there was no way they were going to compete with the US war machine in the long run. If we had not bombed Japan's civilian infrastructure, there is no telling how much longer the war would have carried on, and the only guaranteed fact was that not bombing them would not have saved any Japanese lives, and would only have costed the US thousands more in casualties.

To put it in a wierdly fitting SC2 setting. The US was the Terran up 10 bases to the Japanese zergs 1. The US is on Tier 5, and the Japanese have been blasted back to tier 2. The US has 500 marines, 10 BCs, 10 banshees, 20 tanks, and 5 ghosts. The Japanese have 100 banelings, zero anti-air, zero detection, and no production, just 60 idle drones and a hatch.
What would you do? First of all, the Japanese should have gg'ed about 5 minutes ago. But if they refuse.....what would you do? Attack with the marines or attack with the banshees and BCs? The end result to the Japanese people would have been the same.....the only difference is one way gets thousands of your own soldiers killed, while the other does not.

The reason you can't compare Pearl Harbor and the US bombing of Japan was that Pearl Harbor was an attempt at a 1 shot kill of the US. It was the only way possible to try and start the war on a somewhat even footing for the Japanese. They almost succeeded. Directly attacking civilians would have had zero effect on the American war machine, and would have been a waste of resources.


The US bombing of Japan was an attempt to end the war without physically invading Japan. I'll restate. Not bombing Japan(nukes, firebombs, etc) would not have saved Japanese lives or cities. It would only have resulted in thousands of additional US deaths as well as MORE destruction of Japanese infrastructure and more civilian casualties to the more indirect side of war, not to mention the Japanese plans to arm thousands of civilians with bamboo spears and banzai charge the US on the beach. The only ones at fault for the US bombing of Japan were the Japanese leaders for not ending the war sooner. It was painfully obvious after the late-war battles of Leyte Gulf and Iwo Jima that the US could never lose to Japan, and carrying on the war would have zero effect on the war's outcome. And yet the Japanese fought on for another year and a half. Heck, even AFTER the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, there was a threat of a military coupe overthrowing the Japanese government which was considering surrender and forcing the war to go on even longer.

So I'll ask again. Why was it the US' fault for bombing Japan? Do you really just not know anything about the war, and just listen to random internet haters and random Wiki facts and form your opinions about an entire country from it? Really? Because you're obviously so much smarter and have so much more knowledge than people like MacAurthur and Truman. Do you honestly think the US believed it could have ended the war sooner with less casualties, and yet refused to do so?