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 my parents confronted me right after I had a bowl of sour diesel and well not mug I can do to hide the smell immediatley or anything but so you know how asian parents are? I can safely say thy are the naiveist people I have ever known. They talked to me about not having premarital sex not to drink and that stuff(better hide the 10 cans of bud light in my room). When I had to tell my dad I suprised the Fuc out of him and his words of wisdom were not to do it because you can get throat cancer and if my coaches found out I would get liked off the team. They believed it was cigs I tried and not weed.
All in all they are my parents and its going to be sad when I break their hearts for drinking or sex when they find out
  
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Live your life as you want to live it. we only live once afterall. And remember to always nod your head and say yes to whatever they say to you.
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On March 11 2011 21:09 ffswowsucks wrote:
Live your life as you want to live it. we only live once afterall. And remember to always nod your head and say yes to whatever they say to you.
Was stoned when they were talking to me I deserve an oscar for my performance hehs
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How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway.
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Your parents will be sad but they need to understand that you will live your life the way you want to and make your own decisions... If your an adult that is.
If your living under their roof though, you should follow their rules.
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I also have Asian parents but luckily they don't know anything I've done. Also, talking to parents while high/drunk/etc is such a bad position to be in, hahaha.
I remember I was so wasted a few months ago after drinking and smoking so much in the city, I hadn't slept that night and called my dad to pick me up at like 10 AM, and it was HELL. He kept asking me what I did and all the stupid question Asian parents ask you and here I am sitting cracked out, I never want to experience that again. I've had a few where I've talked to parents baked but that it wasn't as bad as this. :D
I say as long as you get your shit done your parents shouldn't have anything to say for you. It's your life and you live it once!
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You live in a persons house and you can't follow simple rules that are in place to help you as opposed to hurt you.
Fuck, some people need to learn respect.
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why would you wana ruin your life with nicotine?... WHY?
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On March 11 2011 21:13 Br3ezy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 21:09 ffswowsucks wrote:
Live your life as you want to live it. we only live once afterall. And remember to always nod your head and say yes to whatever they say to you. Was stoned when they were talking to me I deserve an oscar for my performance hehs
Is this an advice thread or a brag blog?
If you're living under their roof, you should abide by their rules. And from the sound of it, you're not old or mature enough to recognize that the things you're doing are illegal and can actually hurt you, especially if you're not careful.
I wouldn't risk your relationship with your parents on having fun with things that could kill you, if I were you.
But I'm not you, so good luck with whatever choices you make in the future.
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Need to listen to your parents son
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Well I'm guessing you live in the US? Sounds like you are still in high school. If so you are breaking several laws with the underage drinking and smoking (yes, I agree the laws are stupid, but stay with me). Basically you are breaking your parents rules, and making them lawbreakers by having underage drinking and illegal drugs in their house against their will. That's pretty disrespectful to people that are just trying to support you and look out for you.
If you can move out and support yourself, you should do it. I say smoke and drink and fuck all you want, but man up and make it a goal to not do that shit on your parents dime. It's disrespectful to your parents and to yourself.
Besides, it's infinitely easier to get laid when you don't live at your parents.
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You obey your parents do you hear me?
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While it is cool to "rebel" against your parents that is not a tie you want to sever. Chances are if you ever need help with anything your parents will be there for you, and from experience friends just won't. You are staying at their place, be respectful and obey their rules; if you want to smoke do it away from the house or just outside.
If you treat your parents with respect, who knows they may just treat you with respect.
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It is very cool to rebel. Live out the rest of your teenage years disappointing your parents. Then one day, when you do grow up, you'll realize more and more just how right your father was.
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I hope when you grow up you will realize that what you are doing is stupid and your parents just wanted to protect you.
PS.: You can get far-far worse things from smoking than just throat cancer
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Supposedly, alcohol and cannabis can screw around with the brain's development in teenagers.
This blog entry is proof!
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holy crap you guys need to give this dude a break
all he did was smoke a bowl and drink a little, its not like he was stealing money from his parents and shooting meth
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i get high and drunk with/around my parents a lot and we have a normal, healthy, and respectful relationship.
As long as it's not controlling your life I say go for it.
And congrats on your oscar, haha.
btw your parents sound like extremely unreasonable people.
But in all seriousness, smoking tobacco regularly will kill you slowly and painfully. I'd take their advice on that
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Someday you will grow up, not only physically but also mentally and understand how stupid you were to do these things and not to listen to your parents when they were sharing their wisdom with you.
On March 11 2011 22:18 ZaplinG wrote:
i get high and drunk with/around my parents a lot and we have a normal, healthy, and respectful relationship.
Thats not normal at all, sorry.
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On March 11 2011 21:04 Br3ezy wrote:
All in all they are my parents and its going to be sad when I break their hearts for drinking or sex when they find out
Damn, you really don't care about their feelings at all, do you? -_-
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On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway.
Because nobody drinks under the age limit, am I right?
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On March 11 2011 22:23 awu25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway. Because nobody drinks under the age limit, am I right?
That doesn't make it right, or an excuse to give to the cops.
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On March 11 2011 22:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 22:23 awu25 wrote:On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway. Because nobody drinks under the age limit, am I right? That doesn't make it right, or an excuse to give to the cops.
Its only illegal if you get caught!
but seriously, i dont know many parents who gives a shit if their 16-17 year old smokes cigarettes. Most of them is against underage drinking though and not to mention cannabis
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On March 11 2011 22:27 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 22:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2011 22:23 awu25 wrote:On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway. Because nobody drinks under the age limit, am I right? That doesn't make it right, or an excuse to give to the cops. Its only illegal if you get caught! but seriously, i dont know many parents who gives a shit if their 16-17 year old smokes cigarettes. Most of them is against underage drinking though and not to mention cannabis
That's pretty bad parenting. Cigarettes are evil.
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if you fuck up in health. You fuck up in life. That's fucked
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On March 11 2011 22:27 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 22:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2011 22:23 awu25 wrote:On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway. Because nobody drinks under the age limit, am I right? That doesn't make it right, or an excuse to give to the cops. Its only illegal if you get caught! but seriously, i dont know many parents who gives a shit if their 16-17 year old smokes cigarettes. Most of them is against underage drinking though and not to mention cannabis
Then they are ignorant or neglectful. Cigarettes are extremely toxic. TBH I'm ok with underage drinking if it's done semi-responsibly, but there's no way to responsibly poison yourself with cigarettes.
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@OP i'd learn what drugs do what. Your parents said you smoked one thing when you thought you smoked another. if your parents are right they really need to educate you on drugs, or you can educate yourself. because some drugs are really messed up and you cant moderate them no matter what.
also you dont have to drink beer because beer in US is some weak ass watered down shit.
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I don't care about rebellion or any of that shit, but whatever you do, make your choices responsibly.
I'm 18 and I smoke marijuana/drink alcohol, but every time I do it's a conscious choice, with all things considered. Basically, be aware of the consequences (good and bad) of what you're doing, decide if the risk is worth the gain, and have a good time with your life either way. It starts getting really bad when you start doing things habitually. I've been there, and I've since figured things out. My real wake up call is when one of my connects got caught with a DUI of Marijuana and underage possession of alcohol. I've never driven high/drunk, but I certainly never will. This guy's got a hard road ahead, and I don't want that in my life.
TL:DR- Be reasonable and responsible for yourself at all times. No exceptions. Congrats on Grammy :D
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You sound like a spoiled brat, OP. You still live in your parent's house. If you want to smoke, drink or do whatever the fuck you want then man up and get a place of your own. Otherwise, just fucking listen to them until you do get a place. That, or learn how to be a smart person and not get caught.
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I smoked cigarettes and marijuana for 8 years ,but now I quit cigarette since the beginning of 2011.
Because no matter what people say cigarettes actually bring nothing valuable and are really bad for your health. Sure there are people who got to 70+ years old and have been smoking for 40 years, but just take a look at the numbers; lung cancer, among others, is definitely a serial killer.
As for alcohol, trust me, you don't want to get into alcohol, this is a fucking scourge, seriously it's worse than a ton of illegal drugs. I'll tell you, my dad was an alcoholic, so I saw firsthand what kind of damages alcohol can do not only to yourself but also to your family & friends.
I'm not saying smoking & drinking is 100% bad, I'm just reminding you of the risks.
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On March 11 2011 21:18 HuskyMUDKIPZ wrote:
You live in a persons house and you can't follow simple rules that are in place to help you as opposed to hurt you.
Fuck, some people need to learn respect.
I 100% agree with this
IMO just stop smoking... Its good for you anways...
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On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway.
Illegal to drink and smoke before you're an adult? It's not the same everywhere and the OP didn't even specify where he was from, only that his parents were asian.
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On March 11 2011 22:19 Itachii wrote:Someday you will grow up, not only physically but also mentally and understand how stupid you were to do these things and not to listen to your parents when they were sharing their wisdom with you. Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 22:18 ZaplinG wrote:
i get high and drunk with/around my parents a lot and we have a normal, healthy, and respectful relationship.
Thats not normal at all, sorry.
Why not?
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I am not here to throw stones at you just some simple advice...
The devils lettuce (lol) wont ever kill you (or cancer) but you have to remember this is not your house and you don't pay rent. So you need to follow the rules until you are on your own. Don't be a smart-ass with your parents.
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On March 11 2011 21:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 21:13 Br3ezy wrote:On March 11 2011 21:09 ffswowsucks wrote:
Live your life as you want to live it. we only live once afterall. And remember to always nod your head and say yes to whatever they say to you. Was stoned when they were talking to me I deserve an oscar for my performance hehs Is this an advice thread or a brag blog? If you're living under their roof, you should abide by their rules. And from the sound of it, you're not old or mature enough to recognize that the things you're doing are illegal and can actually hurt you, especially if you're not careful.
It's not bad advice, but any and every adolescent (I have no idea how old OP is, I'm assuming mid teens) will ignore it completely. It's all very well to say you should do what your parents say, but teenagers have to live their own lives to a certain extent, it's a time when you find out who you are and if parents are too controlling then growing up won't happen. You have to be free to make some mistakes.
My advice OP is that when they seem most annoying, just remember that your parents want what's best for you even if they don't always know what that is.
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You may not realize it now but your parents are usually always right.
Especially if you live in their house, you kinda gotta live by their rules.
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that's not that bad, my parents used to rage a lot at me for suspecting that i smoke, even though i never did. Now that's something
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Wow, seriously? Might be cultural differences but in sweden it's pretty much standard to get wasted when you're 15. Some people even start drinking when they're 12. In my experience the people who get restricted by their parents are the people who fuck up the worst when they're legally allowed to drink later on in life. If you give your children freedom they will learn to handle it.
I say you should do what makes you happy, but also remember that dissapointing your parents isn't the greatest feeling in the world.
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If consequences dictate your course of action,
Doesn't matter whats right, Its only wrong if you get caught.
If consequences dictate your course of action,
I should play god and just shoot you myself
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Their house, their rules. If you wanna smoke/drink then do it with your buddies outside. I hope you're using your own money and not your parents to buy the stuff. If not, shame on you because they probably work hard to provide for you.
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On March 11 2011 23:39 Bergys wrote:
Wow, seriously? Might be cultural differences but in sweden it's pretty much standard to get wasted when you're 15. Some people even start drinking when they're 12. In my experience the people who get restricted by their parents are the people who fuck up the worst when they're legally allowed to drink later on in life. If you give your children freedom they will learn to handle it.
I say you should do what makes you happy, but also remember that dissapointing your parents isn't the greatest feeling in the world.
Lol.
Because children have fully developed mental capabilities while people at the age of 20 don't, right?
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It's dumb to smoke man, I will give you two reasons why not to do it, and you've heard it a trillion times maybe
THEY KILL YOU!
and
IT SMELLS TERRIBLE!!!!!
The drinking part aswell if you are under 18 or what the limit is in you're country... I waited with alcohol until I was 18 years old... Everybody has done some bad shit when they've been drunk ( when they were younger), and I have not done anything since I am clever enough not to drink until I pass out 
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Wow, Team Liquid has been visited by the fun police.
Look, do your best to respect your parents and their wishes. But responsibly experimenting with pot, alcohol and sex is fine. Cigarettes are a bit grimy but that's up to you, too. Don't be an asshole about it, experience it, have your fun and grow up. There's nothing wrong with this. It's called being an American teenager. Just be safe - always be safe.
But don't smoke in the house. That's fair.
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If you're living in their house, yeah it's kinda their rules. Pretty much everyone experiments with drugs and alcohol at a young age. So as long as you are being responsible it's really not that bad- don't make any bad habits out of it though.
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo!
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ya man its fun to do bad things. my grandparents never let me do bad stuff, they r always on me to be good.
one time me and my friend took my grandmas suv before we had our licenses in middle school but the police caught us ridin dirty and then we crashed and we got in big trouble. (u say well why did u do that.. i wanted to do it because it's fun, fun to do bad things, to drive into a car. i wanted to do hood rat stuff with my friend. why do u care?? who wants to know?"
smoking weed is gangster and i think u should do it in ur house no matter wat ur parent says. what can they do, kick u out? they can't do that its against the law. so just chill out=
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On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo!
If he's in the US, what would you expect?
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It's your life to live how you want, but just remember... for everything you do, there are always repercussions.
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On March 12 2011 00:05 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 23:39 Bergys wrote:
Wow, seriously? Might be cultural differences but in sweden it's pretty much standard to get wasted when you're 15. Some people even start drinking when they're 12. In my experience the people who get restricted by their parents are the people who fuck up the worst when they're legally allowed to drink later on in life. If you give your children freedom they will learn to handle it.
I say you should do what makes you happy, but also remember that dissapointing your parents isn't the greatest feeling in the world. Lol. Because children have fully developed mental capabilities while people at the age of 20 don't, right?
Well what I think he is saying that if you start at a younger age its probably better, you learn to handle your drink and know your limits. Some people aren't allowed to touch a drink until they are legal, then when they do they get completely smashed and make a fool of themselves, over and over again... I started at a young age too, around 13 I started drinking, and even at that age I handled it quite well, and even if I did get "wild", I still learnt alot from early drinking, quite good experience...
Anyway, I think you should kind of make your own choices, to an extent of course... but you are your own person, you didn't ask to be placed on this planet. Enjoy your youth, don't do too much stupid shit I guess... respect your parents, but enjoy life... personally i don't get this sex after marriage shit, thats experience in itself, just keep protected! Hopefully everything works out for you anyway buddy, peace
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On March 11 2011 21:23 arb wrote:
Need to listen to your parents son
This. Those aren't unreasonable demands they are making.
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On March 12 2011 00:53 Froadac wrote:This. Those aren't unreasonable demands they are making.
I dunno. No sex, smokes or booze full stop sounds pretty restrictive to me.
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While you should respect your parents enough to follow their rules while in their house, what you do outside of their house is none of their business.
I am a parent, probably unlike many here who have commented about "do as you are told" etc, so I actually have a better standing to talk about this stuff. Once you are a teenager there is very little your parents can do to stop you living your life, so long as you aren't out causing trouble or getting into trouble then do as you please. When you are in their house, you shouldn't smoke or drink if they don't like it, simply go out to a friends house where it is allowed or find somewhere out of the way where you and your friends can hang out without bothering people.
When I was in my teens me and my friends used to go camping in nearby woods and would smoke/drink and generally have fun without anyone being any the wiser. A Parents job is to keep you as safe as they can, to help you make decisions in an informed way and to give you a good start in life, thats all they are trying to do.... often tho parents forget that being young is about making mistakes, the more freedom you give a chile the more independent they become and if you let them make mistakes then they learn at a young age.
Nearly everyone I know who started drinking/smoking young grew out of it by the age of 20, yeah they still go out but they don't go out and get stupid, conversely those who didnt start until they were legally allowed tend to still be going out and getting paraletic and getting in trouble. I got stupidly drunk once at the age of 15, didn't know where i was, where i had been or what time it was, I was so scared that I never got that drunk again, by the age of 21 I gave up drinking all together because i prefer smoking and more over I get stoned with friends in a safe environment where if I can't remember where I am it doesn't matter because I'm already at home!
Anywho, don't drink or smoke in your parents house, its simply disrespectful, if they had any sense they would allow you to (because then they know where you are, who you are with etc) but thats besides the point. Its their house, and when inside it you have to play nice even if its just for an easy life. What you do outside the house is your business, what they don't know about won't hurt them, but make sure you find a safe place where you aren't gonna bother anyone (to repeat myself, its an important point)
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I think parents have a responsibility to keep their kids out of harm's way. If they think smoking, drinking, etc are going to hurt you(and let's be honest here...) then they are obligated to tell you not to do it. Kids and teenagers are obviously incapable of taking effective care of themselves, that's why parents have their role in the first place.
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I'm not gonna tell you the story of my life, so just believe me when i say i have a lot of experience regarding smoking weed and drinking.
My advice to you is : try it. You'll probably enjoy it, then do something really stupid while high/drunk and figure out the amount you shouldn't go above.
But.
BUT...
It all comes down to frequency. Smoking/drinking too often will lead to trouble. There's no way it won't. Brain damage is a very real thing.
So experiment. You only live once. Drugs are good. If they weren't, nobody would use them ever. Do it wisely though.
In my opinion, getting drunk/high more than once a week is stupid, and dangerous.
Edit : Forgot to say : don't smoke cigarettes. Tobacco is a crappy drug. It has no beneficial/pleasurable effect whatsoever. Don't start, it's damn fucking hard to quit. The only thing tobacco does for you is relieve you from a pain it created in the first place.
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Just wait until uni.
Then you can do w/e the fuck you want.
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So what, you came here to feel better about lying to your parents? Fuck that, you messed up man.
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If you're going to smoke cannabis, smoke it outside like a pro, not inside like a filthy newb. Take a 15 minute walk, blaze, and by the time you get back the smell will have faded from your clothing.
However, ditch the alcohol. That stuff is poison.
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Just going to throw out there that smoking also means you get charged a higher premium on health insurance, it's 25% more for smokers on my current plan. Think ahead :-p
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Once again, impressed by the quality of posters here at TL. After reading this blog on an internet forum I didn't think much would come out of it, but there's a lot of great advice.
Do the wise thing and make good choices. Why six pool when you could play the macro game?
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I don't get this problem with "asian parents". I mean, the stereotype of the slavedriving and demanding style of parenting is simply not true for most families. As for this OP and some of the replies... you guys mean you DON'T appreciate your parents caring for you or giving good advice? Interesting...
On March 11 2011 21:16 Amnesia wrote:
I also have Asian parents but luckily they don't know anything I've done. Also, talking to parents while high/drunk/etc is such a bad position to be in, hahaha.
I remember I was so wasted a few months ago after drinking and smoking so much in the city, I hadn't slept that night and called my dad to pick me up at like 10 AM, and it was HELL. He kept asking me what I did and all the stupid question Asian parents ask you and here I am sitting cracked out, I never want to experience that again. I've had a few where I've talked to parents baked but that it wasn't as bad as this. :D
I say as long as you get your shit done your parents shouldn't have anything to say for you. It's your life and you live it once!
really man? stupid questions asian parents ask? because a good parent would just pick up their kid after they didn't come home one night, and not worry when they end up smelling like alcohol and smoke.. ok.
your last piece of advice is terrible, absolutely terrible. it's as if you achieve only because you feel "obligated" to because of your parents. seems to me that's how you raise a slacker, doing only the bare minimum and no more.
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Really simple. Listen to them and you'll be happy you did later on. Don't listen and you'll regret it later.
Choice is yours.
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On March 11 2011 22:42 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 22:27 Pulimuli wrote:On March 11 2011 22:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2011 22:23 awu25 wrote:On March 11 2011 21:15 Sayle wrote:
How old are you?
If you're legally an adult, then you don't need to worry about it (although you should still listen to them). If you're not yet an adult, then drinking and smoking are illegal so you shouldn't be doing them anyway. Because nobody drinks under the age limit, am I right? That doesn't make it right, or an excuse to give to the cops. Its only illegal if you get caught! but seriously, i dont know many parents who gives a shit if their 16-17 year old smokes cigarettes. Most of them is against underage drinking though and not to mention cannabis Then they are ignorant or neglectful. Cigarettes are extremely toxic. TBH I'm ok with underage drinking if it's done semi-responsibly, but there's no way to responsibly poison yourself with cigarettes.
Thats just the way things are, when me and my friends were teenagers they could use tobacco products pretty much however they wanted but their parents didnt want them drinking.
Also, both alcohol and nicotine are poisions, that granted, nicotine is a much stronger poison than alcohol. But if you wanna smoke, go ahead and smoke, whatever makes you happy/feel good
I do smoke sometimes, but only for the taste (i dont smoke cigarettes cuz they taste like a-hole) but cigars and cigarillos are nice every now and then
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There is nothing wrong with doing that. Some parents are just more old fashioned and not used to younger kids smoking and drinking now-a-days. It's not a bad thing, but they are just trying to protect you. Maybe do it in moderation and only around friends or somthing. Respect their wishes enough to not do it in their house. But it definately means you shouldn't do it. You're young and need to live a little. Just dont live too much =P
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My mum found my weed on many occasions and once even some MDMA I had, she was kinda pissed but knew that my friends and I had been smoking for some time. She didn't approve but knew I was doing it anyway and that she couldn't really do anything about it.
Do whatever you want ^_^
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sick blog. i tell chinese people that i am smoking "special canadian" tobacco as i blow kush rings in their faces.
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I'm surprised at the number of people in this thread who seem to think that drinking and smoking pot occasionally is going to ruin your life. The vast majority people who smoke weed or drink during adolescence/young adulthood turn out fine. As long as you exercise moderation there's nothing wrong with recreational soft drug use.
You should respect your parents, but if they impose unrealistic rules such as no weed smoking like most parents would, you don't have to listen to them.
edit: concealing the fact that your high from people who don't really know what high people look like is not very hard, so nothing to brag about
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On March 12 2011 02:38 reincremate wrote:I'm surprised at the number of people in this thread who seem to think that drinking and smoking pot occasionally is going to ruin your life. The vast majority people who smoke weed or drink during adolescence/young adulthood turn out fine. As long as you exercise moderation there's nothing wrong with recreational soft drug use. You should respect your parents, but if they impose unrealistic rules such as no weed smoking like most parents would, you don't have to listen to them. edit: concealing the fact that your high from people who don't really know what high people look like is not very hard, so nothing to brag about
Unrealistic rules? Parents preventing their kids from smoking shit and drinking in their house sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. You can do stupid things when you're old enough and supporting yourself, but while your parents house you and feed you, you obey their rules.
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Better to be in their own house or a close friend's rather than at some random party. Binge drinking is obviously bad for your health and quite often does entail stupid, dangerous behaviour, as is cannabis use to a much lesser extent but they're not so bad as to be something that you should never do (as I've said, moderation). I'm not saying anyone should openly disobey their parents, I'm just saying don't get caught by them. Adolescents in general are obviously immature and not able exercise as much self-control as adults but most people 16+ aren't going to screw over their own lives from drinking and drug use.
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On March 12 2011 02:43 Alak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:38 reincremate wrote:I'm surprised at the number of people in this thread who seem to think that drinking and smoking pot occasionally is going to ruin your life. The vast majority people who smoke weed or drink during adolescence/young adulthood turn out fine. As long as you exercise moderation there's nothing wrong with recreational soft drug use. You should respect your parents, but if they impose unrealistic rules such as no weed smoking like most parents would, you don't have to listen to them. edit: concealing the fact that your high from people who don't really know what high people look like is not very hard, so nothing to brag about Unrealistic rules? Parents preventing their kids from smoking shit and drinking in their house sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. You can do stupid things when you're old enough and supporting yourself, but while your parents house you and feed you, you obey their rules.
Good luck growing up and learning how to support yourself if you're always at the beck and call of your parents. Boundaries have to be extended in adolescence and some leeway has to be given if you don't want your children to resent you for being over controlling.
If OP is smoking weed and drinking in their house, probably not cool. But if they try and stop him having experiences that are a part of the culture of his peers, also not cool.
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On March 12 2011 02:59 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:43 Alak wrote:On March 12 2011 02:38 reincremate wrote:I'm surprised at the number of people in this thread who seem to think that drinking and smoking pot occasionally is going to ruin your life. The vast majority people who smoke weed or drink during adolescence/young adulthood turn out fine. As long as you exercise moderation there's nothing wrong with recreational soft drug use. You should respect your parents, but if they impose unrealistic rules such as no weed smoking like most parents would, you don't have to listen to them. edit: concealing the fact that your high from people who don't really know what high people look like is not very hard, so nothing to brag about Unrealistic rules? Parents preventing their kids from smoking shit and drinking in their house sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. You can do stupid things when you're old enough and supporting yourself, but while your parents house you and feed you, you obey their rules. Good luck growing up and learning how to support yourself if you're always at the beck and call of your parents. Boundaries have to be extended in adolescence and some leeway has to be given if you don't want your children to resent you for being over controlling. If OP is smoking weed and drinking in their house, probably not cool. But if they try and stop him having experiences that are a part of the culture of his peers, also not cool.
I seem to have turned out okay. My sister got into a LOT of trouble in high school it carried right over to her first year or two of college after she moved out(she had to drop out for a while), although she did much worse things than smoke cigarettes or weed or drink alcohol. Personally, I saw her example, decided to listen to my parents, and now I'm doing well in college, live responsibly on my own, have a healthy and active social life(friends, girlfriend, etc), and have a stable job which I perform competently and am well liked by my boss and coworkers.
Bottom line is that I'm pretty sure it's impossible for listening to your parents to actually harm you in the long run. I turned out totally fine so far and I'm a very happy guy.
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what is sour diesel? is that the new drug everyone's doing?
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On March 12 2011 03:14 Roe wrote:
what is sour diesel? is that the new drug everyone's doing?
Strain of cannabis, but its rather unlikely that a high school kid has any idea what he's actually getting.
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On March 12 2011 03:09 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:59 The KY wrote:On March 12 2011 02:43 Alak wrote:On March 12 2011 02:38 reincremate wrote:I'm surprised at the number of people in this thread who seem to think that drinking and smoking pot occasionally is going to ruin your life. The vast majority people who smoke weed or drink during adolescence/young adulthood turn out fine. As long as you exercise moderation there's nothing wrong with recreational soft drug use. You should respect your parents, but if they impose unrealistic rules such as no weed smoking like most parents would, you don't have to listen to them. edit: concealing the fact that your high from people who don't really know what high people look like is not very hard, so nothing to brag about Unrealistic rules? Parents preventing their kids from smoking shit and drinking in their house sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. You can do stupid things when you're old enough and supporting yourself, but while your parents house you and feed you, you obey their rules. Good luck growing up and learning how to support yourself if you're always at the beck and call of your parents. Boundaries have to be extended in adolescence and some leeway has to be given if you don't want your children to resent you for being over controlling. If OP is smoking weed and drinking in their house, probably not cool. But if they try and stop him having experiences that are a part of the culture of his peers, also not cool. I seem to have turned out okay. My sister got into a LOT of trouble in high school it carried right over to her first year or two of college after she moved out(she had to drop out for a while), although she did much worse things than smoke cigarettes or weed or drink alcohol. Personally, I saw her example, decided to listen to my parents, and now I'm doing well in college, live responsibly on my own, have a healthy and active social life(friends, girlfriend, etc), and have a stable job which I perform competently and am well liked by my boss and coworkers. Bottom line is that I'm pretty sure it's impossible for listening to your parents to actually harm you in the long run. I turned out totally fine so far and I'm a very happy guy.
How it works for you is not the same for everyone. Drinking and smoking pot is just what people OP's age do, in relative moderation I can't see that it's a problem, obviously it's something he wants to do, (and why not, he's just living his life) and if his parents stop him or try then he'll likely resent them for it.
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On March 12 2011 03:14 Roe wrote:
what is sour diesel? is that the new drug everyone's doing?
It's probably one of the stankiest strains of weed.
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On March 11 2011 23:39 Bergys wrote:
Wow, seriously? Might be cultural differences but in sweden it's pretty much standard to get wasted when you're 15. Some people even start drinking when they're 12.In my experience the people who get restricted by their parents are the people who fuck up the worst when they're legally allowed to drink later on in life. If you give your children freedom they will learn to handle it.
I say you should do what makes you happy, but also remember that dissapointing your parents isn't the greatest feeling in the world.
I agree with this guy. I'm proof of this. My advice is don't overdo anything, take everything in balance, and if you wanna smoke, smoke, just don't do it where they'll find out. That means outside. Roll ONE and take that with you.
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Public safety information (I don't care what personal choices the OP makes, but everyone should know this information):
1. Smoking, rather than nicotine, is the cause of lung cancer. So smoking marijuana can cause lung cancer. Smoking can also cause diseases like emphysema. (Lost my grandfather this way).
2. Cannabis is addictive, and withdrawal symptoms can be similar to those for nicotine. Roughly one in ten people who tries marijuana ends up using daily.
Marijuana can be used responsibly, but it is not exactly "the safe drug" that it is sometimes presented to be.
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On March 12 2011 04:09 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 23:39 Bergys wrote:
Wow, seriously? Might be cultural differences but in sweden it's pretty much standard to get wasted when you're 15. Some people even start drinking when they're 12.In my experience the people who get restricted by their parents are the people who fuck up the worst when they're legally allowed to drink later on in life. If you give your children freedom they will learn to handle it.
I say you should do what makes you happy, but also remember that dissapointing your parents isn't the greatest feeling in the world. I agree with this guy. I'm proof of this. My advice is don't overdo anything, take everything in balance, and if you wanna smoke, smoke, just don't do it where they'll find out. That means outside. Roll ONE and take that with you.
I also agree with him thaats how im going to raise my children and im 17
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On March 12 2011 04:10 munchmunch wrote:
this is a good post for ppl who don;t want to be gangsters and do bad stuff, but if u do wanna do bad stuff like smoke weed i'll give you some excuses to
Public safety information (I don't care what personal choices the OP makes, but everyone should know this information): 1. Smoking, rather than nicotine, is the cause of lung cancer. So smoking marijuana can cause lung cancer. Smoking can also cause diseases like emphysema. (Lost my grandfather this way).
yeah, you should also watch out for some other stuff that can give u cancer, like brooms, candles, cooked foods, tea, sausages, or Vatican radio masts.
oh, and also non-gangster stuff like Acetaldehyde, acrylamide, acrylonitril, abortion, agent orange, alar, alcohol, air pollution, aldrin, alfatoxin, arsenic, arsine, asbestos, asphalt fumes, atrazine, AZT, baby food, barbequed meat, benzene, benzidine, benzopyrene, beryllium, beta-carotene, betel nuts, birth control pills, bottled water, bracken, bread, breasts, bus stations, calcium channel blockers, cadmium, captan, carbon black, carbon tetrachloride, careers for women, casual sex, car fumes, celery, charred foods, chewing gum, Chinese food, Chinese herbal supplements, chips, chloramphenicol, chlordane, chlorinated camphene, chlorinated water, chlorodiphenyl, chloroform, cholesterol, low cholesterol, chromium, coal tar, coffee, coke ovens, crackers, creosote, cyclamates, dairy products, deodorants, depleted uranium, depression, dichloryacetylene, DDT, dieldrin, diesel exhaust, diet soda, dimethyl sulphate, dinitrotouluene, dioxin, dioxane, epichlorhydrin, ethyle acrilate, ethylene, ethilene dibromide, ethnic beliefs,ethylene dichloride, Ex-Lax, fat, fluoridation, flying, formaldehyde, free radicals, french fries, fruit, gasoline, genes, gingerbread, global warming, gluteraldehyde, granite, grilled meat, Gulf war, hair dyes, hamburgers, heliobacter pylori, hepatitis B virus, hexachlorbutadiene, hexachlorethane, high bone mass, HPMA, HRT, hydrazine, hydrogen peroxide, incense, infertility, jewellery, Kepone, kissing, lack of exercise, laxatives, lead, left handedness, Lindane, Listerine, low fibre diet, magnetic fields, malonaldehyde, mammograms, manganese, marijuana, methyl bromide, methylene chloride, menopause, microwave ovens, milk hormones, mixed spices, mobile phones, MTBE, nickel, night lighting, night shifts, nitrates, not breast feeding, not having a twin, nuclear power plants, Nutrasweet, obesity, oestrogen, olestra, olive oil, orange juice, oxygenated gasoline, oyster sauce, ozone, ozone depletion, passive smoking, PCBs, peanuts, pesticides, pet birds, plastic IV bags, polio vaccine, potato crisps (chips), power lines, proteins, Prozac, PVC, radio masts, radon, railway sleepers, red meat, Roundup, saccharin, salt, selenium, semiconductor plants, shellfish, sick buildings, soy sauce, stress, strontium, styrene, sulphuric acid, sun beds, sunlight, sunscreen, talc, tetrachloroethylene, testosterone, tight bras, toast, toasters, tobacco, tooth fillings, toothpaste (with fluoride or bleach), train stations, trichloroethylene, under-arm shaving, unvented stoves, uranium, UV radiation, vegetables, vinyl bromide, vinyl chloride, vinyl fluoride, vinyl toys, vitamins, vitreous fibres, wallpaper, weedkiller (2-4 D), welding fumes, well water, weight gain, winter, wood dust, work, x-rays.
so be careful out there
2. Cannabis is addictive, and withdrawal symptoms can be similar to those for nicotine. Roughly one in ten people who tries marijuana ends up using daily. Marijuana can be used responsibly, but it is not exactly "the safe drug" that it is sometimes presented to be.
i don't know what the science words are but what is it when you look at 2 things that seem related but aren't provent related but u just assume their related? i think this is one of those things.
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On March 12 2011 04:30 JackMcCoy wrote:this is a good post for ppl who don;t want to be gangsters and do bad stuff, but if u do wanna do bad stuff like smoke weed i'll give you some excuses to yeah, you should also watch out for some other stuff that can give u cancer, like brooms, candles, cooked foods, tea, sausages, or Vatican radio masts.so be careful out there Show nested quote +2. Cannabis is addictive, and withdrawal symptoms can be similar to those for nicotine. Roughly one in ten people who tries marijuana ends up using daily. Marijuana can be used responsibly, but it is not exactly "the safe drug" that it is sometimes presented to be. i don't know what the science words are but what is it when you look at 2 things that seem related but aren't provent related but u just assume their related? i think this is one of those things.
isn't that exactly what you just did with your huge list of crap? lmao. doesn't it feel great to speak like an authority when you have no idea what you're talking about? pop quiz for you sir, how many of the items on that list you pasted do you think are in cigarettes?
basically your whole attitude is summed up as... cigarettes are dangerous for me, but tons of other stuff are too, so it's okay to do something that harms me. makes lots of sense doesn't it?
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Drinking and smoking pot is just what people OP's age do
No, its what some of them choose to do. Its not like being high-school age is a medical condition.
Somehow breaking the law and drinking isn't my idea of a good time (I surmise I'm close the OP's age too) but I guess that means I'm going to fuck up later in life based on an informal poll of TL blog poster's opinions ~
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Its not like being high-school age is a medical condition.
Adolescence is, in a very real way 
Somehow breaking the law and drinking isn't my idea of a good time (I surmise I'm close the OP's age too) but I guess that means I'm going to fuck up later in life based on an informal poll of TL blog poster's opinions ~
Don't misinterpret, what I personally was saying was that if OP wants to drink and smoke, which is perfectly standard (not universal, that should be obvious really...), and he is prevented, his parents are going to seem overbearing to him and he's likely to react badly. Part of growing up for most people is trying to break free of the boundaries your parents set you (mostly because in the teenagers mind, said boundaries suddenly seem incredibly unreasonable) and simply enforcing those boundaries more strictly is in my opinion not the way to go about it. Which is why I think the advice of simply 'do what your parents tell you' is counter productive.
...and boring, come on OP live a little.
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Ironic that posters are telling him to "live a little" when the act that he describes will actually slowly kill him
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On March 12 2011 04:09 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 23:39 Bergys wrote:
Wow, seriously? Might be cultural differences but in sweden it's pretty much standard to get wasted when you're 15. Some people even start drinking when they're 12.In my experience the people who get restricted by their parents are the people who fuck up the worst when they're legally allowed to drink later on in life. If you give your children freedom they will learn to handle it.
I say you should do what makes you happy, but also remember that dissapointing your parents isn't the greatest feeling in the world. I agree with this guy. I'm proof of this. My advice is don't overdo anything, take everything in balance, and if you wanna smoke, smoke, just don't do it where they'll find out. That means outside. Roll ONE and take that with you.
The problem with that is most kids don't know how to not overdo. My Uncle's step-son recently started smoking pot at 16. 6 months later, he dropped out of High School, got kicked out of his house, quit his job, and now asks his step-dad and mom for money everyday to buy more weed. They don't give him any money, but it's still hilarious how he thinks they owe him anything because he's their son.
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fuck she found my stash...the bad thing is she wants to turn it into the main office at my school(LOL) or just throw it away...oh ya its almost 250$ worth of weed too
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On March 12 2011 06:15 Br3ezy wrote:
fuck she found my stash...the bad thing is she wants to turn it into the main office at my school(LOL) or just throw it away...oh ya its almost 250$ worth of weed too
Yea you're probably the coolest kid on the block. Keep it up man. Remember to live a little and smoke all you want. You only live once
Lol.
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On March 12 2011 06:01 fush wrote:Ironic that posters are telling him to "live a little" when the act that he describes will actually slowly kill him
I see the irony but not a contradiction.
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On March 12 2011 06:15 Br3ezy wrote:
fuck she found my stash...the bad thing is she wants to turn it into the main office at my school(LOL) or just throw it away...oh ya its almost 250$ worth of weed too
You have 250 bucks worth of weed hanging around?
..are you dealing it or what? Or is weed really expensive in the states.
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On March 12 2011 06:35 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 06:15 Br3ezy wrote:
fuck she found my stash...the bad thing is she wants to turn it into the main office at my school(LOL) or just throw it away...oh ya its almost 250$ worth of weed too You have 250 bucks worth of weed hanging around? ..are you dealing it or what? Or is weed really expensive in the states.
That's approx what an ounce of good is going for from a grower in my area.
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On March 12 2011 06:57 Pawsom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 06:35 The KY wrote:On March 12 2011 06:15 Br3ezy wrote:
fuck she found my stash...the bad thing is she wants to turn it into the main office at my school(LOL) or just throw it away...oh ya its almost 250$ worth of weed too You have 250 bucks worth of weed hanging around? ..are you dealing it or what? Or is weed really expensive in the states. That's approx what an ounce of good is going for from a grower in my area.
Probably the exchange rate makes it sound like more than it is, but when I used to smoke it I'd never have more than 40 quids worth on me. Possibly I was just poor.
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Maybe your spelling will improve if you quit.
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250 is probably less than a felony amount and small time amount if he was dealing. I doubt he was.
This blog has fallen into many debates that people aren't separating enough. You can support free will to smoke and still see it as a bad move to smoke. You can support free will to smoke and think its not cool to do under someone else rules.
You can also look at what this guy posted, see the situation he is, take in his age (prolly 16-17), and realize this is one of those tough growing up cross roads. This guy is being forced to make some tough calls in like the VERY near future and thats fucking tough.
GL dude. Fess up, come clean; that's the HARD TOUGH route that takes fucking huge ass balls. Hide the evidence and you a constant game of cat and mouse where losing means fucking your family times up. No choice offers that fast solution. No choice feels totally right from your point of view. This is a man's choice.
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On March 11 2011 21:18 HuskyMUDKIPZ wrote:
You live in a persons house and you can't follow simple rules that are in place to help you as opposed to hurt you.
Fuck, some people need to learn respect.
husky mudkipz spitting truth!! When you have kids of your own you will most likely give the same advice and look back on how stupid you were as a kid.
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Try it all, but one day you will either be mature enough to quit or regret not having stopped earlier.
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On March 12 2011 06:01 fush wrote:Ironic that posters are telling him to "live a little" when the act that he describes will actually slowly kill him
Genetics are stronger than cigarettes or alcohol, the oldest woman and the oldest man in the history were both drinkers and smokers (Jeanne Calment and Christian Mortensen)
My great grandfather smoked and drank alcohol and he lived to be 97
yes you increase your chances of lung cancer, livercancer/damage and heart diseases etc, so if any of those run in your family you probably shouldnt do any of those
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On March 12 2011 09:34 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 06:01 fush wrote:Ironic that posters are telling him to "live a little" when the act that he describes will actually slowly kill him Genetics are stronger than cigarettes or alcohol, the oldest woman and the oldest man in the history were both drinkers and smokers (Jeanne Calment and Christian Mortensen) My great grandfather smoked and drank alcohol and he lived to be 97 yes you increase your chances of lung cancer, livercancer/damage and heart diseases etc, so if any of those run in your family you probably shouldnt do any of those
you can't stop doing genetics. you can stop smoking. just because your family isn't predisposed to certain cancers doesn't mean you are free to smoke. just no. this logic is terrible. just because there are other stuff that happens to be worse doesn't justify doing something that's bad. it's still bad regardless of anything else.. jesus.
you also contradict yourself in your own post. just because you have a few cases in your family that managed to live long (and not necessarily healthy) lives doesn't mean the OP or any other person you give this shitty advice to has the same. duh.
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On March 12 2011 09:41 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 09:34 Pulimuli wrote:On March 12 2011 06:01 fush wrote:Ironic that posters are telling him to "live a little" when the act that he describes will actually slowly kill him Genetics are stronger than cigarettes or alcohol, the oldest woman and the oldest man in the history were both drinkers and smokers (Jeanne Calment and Christian Mortensen) My great grandfather smoked and drank alcohol and he lived to be 97 yes you increase your chances of lung cancer, livercancer/damage and heart diseases etc, so if any of those run in your family you probably shouldnt do any of those you can't stop doing genetics. you can stop smoking. just because your family isn't predisposed to certain cancers doesn't mean you are free to smoke. just no. this logic is terrible. just because there are other stuff that happens to be worse doesn't justify doing something that's bad. it's still bad regardless of anything else.. jesus. you also contradict yourself in your own post. just because you have a few cases in your family that managed to live long (and not necessarily healthy) lives doesn't mean the OP or any other person you give this shitty advice to has the same. duh.
Just saying that drinking a little or smoking every now and then wont kill you, and its not worth to live to be 100 if you're not gonna enjoy yourself anyway
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On March 12 2011 08:36 Ushio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 21:18 HuskyMUDKIPZ wrote:
You live in a persons house and you can't follow simple rules that are in place to help you as opposed to hurt you.
Fuck, some people need to learn respect. husky mudkipz spitting truth!! When you have kids of your own you will most likely give the same advice and look back on how stupid you were as a kid.
Only if you've forgotten what it was like to be a kid. Then your kids will do the same stuff and you won't understand why but then they'll grow up and realise how stupid they were, then they'll have kids etc etc etc.
This process is known as Life.
You don't learn from other people's mistakes, you gotta make your own.
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On March 12 2011 10:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:36 Ushio wrote:On March 11 2011 21:18 HuskyMUDKIPZ wrote:
You live in a persons house and you can't follow simple rules that are in place to help you as opposed to hurt you.
Fuck, some people need to learn respect. husky mudkipz spitting truth!! When you have kids of your own you will most likely give the same advice and look back on how stupid you were as a kid. Only if you've forgotten what it was like to be a kid. Then your kids will do the same stuff and you won't understand why but then they'll grow up and realise how stupid they were, then they'll have kids etc etc etc. This process is known as Life. You don't learn from other people's mistakes, you gotta make your own.
i see where you're coming from, and i agree. knowingly allowing your children to smoke or consume drugs and harm their well-being is another thing. stamping down on these behaviours isn't restrictive, just common sense. you don't need to have a kid electrocute him/herself on an outlet with wet hands for them to learn to not do it again. you don't need them to play with firearms to know that it's dangerous.
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On March 12 2011 09:50 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 09:41 fush wrote:On March 12 2011 09:34 Pulimuli wrote:On March 12 2011 06:01 fush wrote:Ironic that posters are telling him to "live a little" when the act that he describes will actually slowly kill him Genetics are stronger than cigarettes or alcohol, the oldest woman and the oldest man in the history were both drinkers and smokers (Jeanne Calment and Christian Mortensen) My great grandfather smoked and drank alcohol and he lived to be 97 yes you increase your chances of lung cancer, livercancer/damage and heart diseases etc, so if any of those run in your family you probably shouldnt do any of those you can't stop doing genetics. you can stop smoking. just because your family isn't predisposed to certain cancers doesn't mean you are free to smoke. just no. this logic is terrible. just because there are other stuff that happens to be worse doesn't justify doing something that's bad. it's still bad regardless of anything else.. jesus. you also contradict yourself in your own post. just because you have a few cases in your family that managed to live long (and not necessarily healthy) lives doesn't mean the OP or any other person you give this shitty advice to has the same. duh. Just saying that drinking a little or smoking every now and then wont kill you, and its not worth to live to be 100 if you're not gonna enjoy yourself anyway
And not everyone that lives to 100 lives a shitty life.
Not everyone that lives to 45 and dies from a heart attack because of smoking has lived a good life.
Smoking / Drinking != living a good life, especially when used in excess.
There really is nothing wrong with your parents wanting their kids to live a long time, and they should be upset to discover someone they care about is putting their long term health in jeopardy - they should also be upset if what they are doing is illegal - its not unlikely that someone drinking underage or smoking weed to get caught and punished for it, so they should be upset in that circumstance as well.
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On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect?
The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of.
EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers!
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On March 12 2011 05:19 419 wrote:No, its what some of them choose to do. Its not like being high-school age is a medical condition. Somehow breaking the law and drinking isn't my idea of a good time (I surmise I'm close the OP's age too) but I guess that means I'm going to fuck up later in life based on an informal poll of TL blog poster's opinions ~
Its ok 419, you are almost there. 420.
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On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of. EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers!
Holy fuck finally someone with common fucking sense. Thank you.
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On March 12 2011 11:32 Amnesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of. EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers! Holy fuck finally someone with common fucking sense. Thank you.
killing yourself typically = wrong, especially from a parent's perspective, which is exactly what we're talking about here. not sure what you're condoning, but to each their own i guess.
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lol wow i didn't expect the reactions in this thread O_O thought TL users were more liberal and stuff.
anyway i don't see the problem with drinking some and doing pot, as long as you know what you're doing and being responsible about it. and be safe about it (be with responsible friends, safe environment) , don't do it excessively. i did both in high school, and i proceeded to drink less and less in university cuz i already did it so many times before i was getting sick of it.
so basically just be careful and dont hurt yourself or anyone else if you're going to smoke pot and drink
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On March 12 2011 11:50 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 11:32 Amnesia wrote:On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of. EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers! Holy fuck finally someone with common fucking sense. Thank you. killing yourself typically = wrong, especially from a parent's perspective, which is exactly what we're talking about here. not sure what you're condoning, but to each their own i guess.
it's called drink and smoke in moderation then is it still called "killing yourself"?
also what is this about smoking weed that kills you? as far as I know, it doesn't have negative effects towards health. marijuana contains anti-inflamatory, antioxidants, and probably anti-cancer compounds.
http://video.pbs.org/video/1825223761
:/
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On March 12 2011 12:07 Amnesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 11:50 fush wrote:On March 12 2011 11:32 Amnesia wrote:On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of. EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers! Holy fuck finally someone with common fucking sense. Thank you. killing yourself typically = wrong, especially from a parent's perspective, which is exactly what we're talking about here. not sure what you're condoning, but to each their own i guess. it's called drink and smoke in moderation then is it still called "killing yourself"? also what is this about smoking weed that kills you? as far as I know, it doesn't have negative effects towards health. marijuana contains anti-inflamatory, antioxidants, and probably anti-cancer compounds. http://video.pbs.org/video/1825223761:/
the pbs doc is a natural media sensationalist approach to something that isn't even remotely close to clinical study. they touch on therapeutic value for cannabis, mostly because of endocannabinoids, but CB receptors are found in so many systems that you can't simply conclude that experiments on cell culture will have the same effect in vivo. i don't study this personally though i do work in neuroscience and know that much. cannabinoids are naturally occurring and heavily regulated for a purpose. pumping your body full of them doesn't do you good, just because in cell culture they happen to kill cancerous cells. a lot of things do - yet we haven't exactly found a cure yet have we? as for anti-inflammatory agents and antioxidants, you really think there are no better choices than an addictive and neurotoxic drug?
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Marijuana is addictive? I'm not sure about that, but it depends on what kind of addiction we're talking about: mental or physical. Mental addiction only goes to a certain degree imo - not smoking for awhile at first might suck, but it is nothing hard. You just...don't really think about it. Physical addiction? Close to impossible. I've had many instances in my life where I've smoked daily for months then have to quit for an indefinite period of time due to personal reasons, such as drug testing for jobs, or even a quick break because I need to study for exams. This is not just me - I know plenty of others who smoke like I do and have quit with relative ease.
Not saying that we should all smoke weed because it has benefits according to research, but you were the one that said weed = "killing yourself" but I fail to see your point on why it is harmful.
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On March 12 2011 12:26 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 12:07 Amnesia wrote:On March 12 2011 11:50 fush wrote:On March 12 2011 11:32 Amnesia wrote:On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of. EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers! Holy fuck finally someone with common fucking sense. Thank you. killing yourself typically = wrong, especially from a parent's perspective, which is exactly what we're talking about here. not sure what you're condoning, but to each their own i guess. it's called drink and smoke in moderation then is it still called "killing yourself"? also what is this about smoking weed that kills you? as far as I know, it doesn't have negative effects towards health. marijuana contains anti-inflamatory, antioxidants, and probably anti-cancer compounds. http://video.pbs.org/video/1825223761:/ the pbs doc is a natural media sensationalist approach to something that isn't even remotely close to clinical study. they touch on therapeutic value for cannabis, mostly because of endocannabinoids, but CB receptors are found in so many systems that you can't simply conclude that experiments on cell culture will have the same effect in vivo. i don't study this personally though i do work in neuroscience and know that much. cannabinoids are naturally occurring and heavily regulated for a purpose. pumping your body full of them doesn't do you good, just because in cell culture they happen to kill cancerous cells. a lot of things do - yet we haven't exactly found a cure yet have we? as for anti-inflammatory agents and antioxidants, you really think there are no better choices than an addictive and neurotoxic drug?
First of all, weed is not nearly addictive or harmful as other drugs, such as cigarettes, alcohol, crack, heroin, etc. As for its neurotoxicity - I would have to see some evidence for that. Neurotoxicity suggests that large doses of marijuana would alter the normal activity of the nervous system in such a way as to cause damage to nervous tissue. But this is obviously not the case. Even smoking large doses of marijuana will not lead to an overdose or lasting brain damage. In fact, it would require such an outrageous amount of THC that you would asphyxiate yourself before you could overdose on weed. That doesn't seem very toxic to me, now, does it? Smokers are, generally, functioning members of society. There are doctors and lawyers who smoke weed, and your parents probably smoked a ton of weed in the 60's.
As for the morality of smoking weed - it's really not for anybody to decide. It's a personal decision, and I'm afraid that, in the end, opinions on the morality of using drugs is irrelevant. People will be people, and everyone will always have their opinions. I think it's best to accept the fact that everybody in this world is a unique individual with sovereign control over their actions. Parents will be parents, but their opinions do not justify a subject matter's inherent morality - for our parents are only human, are they not?
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On March 12 2011 12:41 Amnesia wrote:
Marijuana is addictive? I'm not sure about that, but it depends on what kind of addiction we're talking about: mental or physical. Mental addiction only goes to a certain degree imo - not smoking for awhile at first might suck, but it is nothing hard. You just...don't really think about it. Physical addiction? Close to impossible. I've had many instances in my life where I've smoked daily for months then have to quit for an indefinite period of time due to personal reasons, such as drug testing for jobs, or even a quick break because I need to study for exams. This is not just me - I know plenty of others who smoke like I do and have quit with relative ease.
Not saying that we should all smoke weed because it has benefits according to research, but you were the one that said weed = "killing yourself" but I fail to see your point on why it is harmful.
you want me to find you research papers on that addiction claim? both clinical and basic science, there's many detailing not just addictive properties but sooooo many other psychotic effects.
i do research in tobacco smoking, not cannabis, but there can obviously be populations that are more
resistant to addictive properties in cannabis. as an example there's a sizeable portion of smokers who are "chippers", who don't display nicotine dependence or its psychostimulatory effects, and can quit on a whim. no reason why you can't possibly be part of this kind of population when it comes to other drugs. but let's think outside of yourself here, you think marijuana would be such a sensitive topic if everyone were like you?
as for "killing yourself", i'm talking about not just cannabis but also the general lifestyle that is being condoned. the attitude of "live freely" given to adolescents doesn't have to be bad, but when it comes to substance abuse the line has to be drawn. you think there isn't a relationship between marijuana use and abuse of other "heavier" drugs? honestly, you seem like a sensible person but there are others who are far less controlled in their intake and will develop serious problems. advocating this lifestyle isn't going to help.
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On March 12 2011 12:45 masami.sc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 12:26 fush wrote:On March 12 2011 12:07 Amnesia wrote:On March 12 2011 11:50 fush wrote:On March 12 2011 11:32 Amnesia wrote:On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of. EDIT: Also who the hell are you asshats to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong" for other people you don't even know. I say if he can handle it responsibly then cheers! Holy fuck finally someone with common fucking sense. Thank you. killing yourself typically = wrong, especially from a parent's perspective, which is exactly what we're talking about here. not sure what you're condoning, but to each their own i guess. it's called drink and smoke in moderation then is it still called "killing yourself"? also what is this about smoking weed that kills you? as far as I know, it doesn't have negative effects towards health. marijuana contains anti-inflamatory, antioxidants, and probably anti-cancer compounds. http://video.pbs.org/video/1825223761:/ the pbs doc is a natural media sensationalist approach to something that isn't even remotely close to clinical study. they touch on therapeutic value for cannabis, mostly because of endocannabinoids, but CB receptors are found in so many systems that you can't simply conclude that experiments on cell culture will have the same effect in vivo. i don't study this personally though i do work in neuroscience and know that much. cannabinoids are naturally occurring and heavily regulated for a purpose. pumping your body full of them doesn't do you good, just because in cell culture they happen to kill cancerous cells. a lot of things do - yet we haven't exactly found a cure yet have we? as for anti-inflammatory agents and antioxidants, you really think there are no better choices than an addictive and neurotoxic drug? First of all, weed is not nearly addictive or harmful as other drugs, such as cigarettes, alcohol, crack, heroin, etc. As for its neurotoxicity - I would have to see some evidence for that. Neurotoxicity suggests that large doses of marijuana would alter the normal activity of the nervous system in such a way as to cause damage to nervous tissue. But this is obviously not the case. Even smoking large doses of marijuana will not lead to an overdose or lasting brain damage. In fact, it would require such an outrageous amount of THC that you would asphyxiate yourself before you could overdose on weed. That doesn't seem very toxic to me, now, does it? Smokers are, generally, functioning members of society. There are doctors and lawyers who smoke weed, and your parents probably smoked a ton of weed in the 60's. As for the morality of smoking weed - it's really not for anybody to decide. It's a personal decision, and I'm afraid that, in the end, opinions on the morality of using drugs is irrelevant. People will be people, and everyone will always have their opinions. I think it's best to accept the fact that everybody in this world is a unique individual with sovereign control over their actions. Parents will be parents, but their opinions do not justify a subject matter's inherent morality - for our parents are only human, are they not?
Got access to medical journals? lemme drop this on you.
clinical studies:
Arseneault et al. 2002; van Os et al. 2002; Zammit et al. 2002; Henquet et al. 2005 -> cannabis use and psychosis and schizophrenia
Arseneault et al. 2004 -> 2x risk of schiz onset with 20 times of cannabis use in life
D'Souza et al. 2004; Koethe et al. 2006 -> delta-9-THC (found in cannabis) given to human subjects either orally or IV, they developed "cognitive disturbances" and schiz characteristics
Henquet et al. 2006 -> large clinical study (n > 4k) found increase risk of cannabis use and manic symptoms in bipolar disorder
Aharonovich, Nguyen & Nunes 2001 -> link for cannabis use to major depression
Brook, Cohen & Brook 1998; McGee et al. 2000; Bovasso 2001; Fergusson, Horwood & Swain-Campbell 2002; Patton et al. 2002 -> link to anxiety
there are tons of basic science studies with CB receptors that can be linked to cannabinoids in cannabis, but there are so many other components that haven't been looked at which may have effects in the brain, but since eCB have actual physiological relevance in healthy humans as well, most of the effort has been put there. (much like how mostly nicotine is studied in the brain, as compared to the thousands of poisons)
and your idea of neurotoxicity is a bit incorrect. it doesn't just mean a large dose has to have dramatic and immediate detrimental effects my friend. no one will expect the majority of people to binge smoke a whole lot of joints and use that as a platform to conduct studies. we're talking about physiologically relevant concentrations in the brain and their slow effects that will lead to long lasting developmental changes here. no one turns psychotic overnight.
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Interesting, I've never heard of any 'real' damage/harm caused by cannabis before. The schizophrenia thing especially caught my eye. Do these studies suggest permanent damage? Does that even make sense? "Temporary schizophrenia"? How common are these side effects?
I know that some studies suggest that LSD can bring forth mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, but this seems to only be the case with a history of such things in the family. From what I understood, in this case, you already had it, but the LSD is just 'activating it,' and not actually 'causing it.'
Is it a similar case with these cannabis studies?
And yes, I could just search those studies up and read them myself but that would take quite a while and it seems you already have a decent amount of knowledge here. I'm not expecting some super complicated response, moreso just some quick general answers that you already know the answers to.
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On March 12 2011 13:30 Crazyeyes wrote:
Interesting, I've never heard of any 'real' damage/harm caused by cannabis before. The schizophrenia thing especially caught my eye. Do these studies suggest permanent damage? Does that even make sense? "Temporary schizophrenia"? How common are these side effects?
I know that some studies suggest that LSD can bring forth mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, but this seems to only be the case with a history of such things in the family. From what I understood, in this case, you already had it, but the LSD is just 'activating it,' and not actually 'causing it.'
Is it a similar case with these cannabis studies?
And yes, I could just search those studies up and read them myself but that would take quite a while and it seems you already have a decent amount of knowledge here. I'm not expecting some super complicated response, moreso just some quick general answers that you already know the answers to.
i actually have little to no knowledge in clinical studies related to cannabis, sorry (i work in the nicotine field, some addiction, some attention)
i really just dug those up from a couple of reviews i can point you to, but that's about it. most of the clinical studies i listed are population meta-analyses that show the correlation rather than a direct effect. i'm as surprised as you about the D'Souza study, not too sure how they managed to get that study done, but i don't think the effects were permanent - took a quick glance just now and they mention that these are transient effects measured 200 min after intake. my understanding of schiz was also that it was something that you are predisposed to, but not really induceable. in this case, i'm assuming the direct effects they see are just psychosis that resemble what's seen in schizophrenia, though other studies would suggest a comorbidity between cannabis use and schiz. i'd have to read that paper in depth to answer these questions, though i figure just reading those papers yourself will give you a better answer than i can give.
reason why i looked those up was really just to show that not all is fine and dandy with cannabis use.
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Ah, I see. Thanks =P
I do think that eventually, something will be strongly linked to cannabis. I find it hard to believe that it has _no_ negative side effects whatsoever. I don't, however, believe whatever this is will be a huge problem. Yes, everything is bad in excess. Cannabis is no exception. But that is no reason to copmletely avoid it.
I liked JackMcCoy's post (the one with the massive list of 'bad things'), moreso becuase it was funny than anything else. There are so many things that are harmful to you. Does this mean that it's a good thing to use them? No. "Sure XX is bad for you, but YY is worse, so its okay to use XX." That logic is terrible. But if you were to avoid anything and everything that was bad for you, in my opinion, you'd lead a terribly boring life.
This is what I believe is meant by 'live a little'.
I mean BARBECUED MEAT was on that list! (Since the list was alphabetical, I'm assuming he copied/pasted it and is at least somewhat accurate).
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Drinking and premarital sex isn't so bad. As long as you drink in moderation and are safe about the sex it can't hurt you.
Smoking on the other hand can hurt you. Marijuana less so than tobacco. Either isn't a super good choice.
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Smoking cannabis does not causes schizophrenia in normal, healthy people over the age of 18. In any case, all the studies show an increased RISK. The percentages don't indicate the number of people who actually end up with schizophrenia - it just states their increased odds for psychosis.
And in my opinion, cannabis's link with schizophrenia is pretty weak; anybody can do a study linking a certain substance to schizophrenia. Drinking, having sex, smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee, masturbating, etc. There are so many activities that release dopamine in your brain or somehow slightly alter your brain chemistry. Most biologists agree that schizophrenia is hereditary, and develops as a result of an interplay between one's biological predisposition (for example, inheriting certain genes) and the kind of environment he is exposed to. And also, obviously if your family has a history of psychosis you shouldn't smoke! It seems pretty simple to me...
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smoking cigarettes sucks man quit it before you are hooked. Use weed in a recreational and you will be fine if your parents found you with weed then you must know that you are doing a bit too much. Be smart and use weed responsibly that means your parents should not find out.
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The life is yours but never forget that they want you to have a healthy life.
Besides: smoking f*cking kills you so if I was you I would try to quit smoking yesterday. Use your smarts.
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On March 12 2011 15:59 masami.sc wrote:
Smoking cannabis does not causes schizophrenia in normal, healthy people over the age of 18. In any case, all the studies show an increased RISK. The percentages don't indicate the number of people who actually end up with schizophrenia - it just states their increased odds for psychosis.
And in my opinion, cannabis's link with schizophrenia is pretty weak; anybody can do a study linking a certain substance to schizophrenia. Drinking, having sex, smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee, masturbating, etc. There are so many activities that release dopamine in your brain or somehow slightly alter your brain chemistry. Most biologists agree that schizophrenia is hereditary, and develops as a result of an interplay between one's biological predisposition (for example, inheriting certain genes) and the kind of environment he is exposed to. And also, obviously if your family has a history of psychosis you shouldn't smoke! It seems pretty simple to me...
well technically you're dismissing all associative meta-analyses studies? all they do is find correlations, but that's where the research is and it's a good first step to find more specific effects is it not? like i mentioned, i also thought the onset of schiz is more of a genetic thing, but linking cannabis use to increased risk of onset is a pretty good tell that something is going on. again, schiz is only one of the things in that list, and it makes sense since CB receptors are everywhere, and eCB are just one active ingredient in cannabis.
the main point is that despite what you think you know, advocating a "free" lifestyle involving drug use is not a good thing.
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Lol, gotta love all the rebel teenagers saying YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE as an excuse for whatever they are doing.
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On March 12 2011 11:08 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 00:48 Impervious wrote:On March 12 2011 00:38 emperorchampion wrote:
Your biggest problem is the Bud Light, that stuff is seriously bad. Drink something decent yo! If he's in the US, what would you expect? The US has a variety of tasty beers that you sir are quite ignorant of.
I know a few microbreweries in Michigan that are far better than the "piss in a bottle" heavily branded and advertised US beers.
And those heavily branded US beers have also affected the Canadian beer markets, in a negative way, which is why I'm a little biased against that crap. When I can walk into almost any bar in Canada and see some kind of Budweiser beer taking up half of the taps, I .
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