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Hellhammer
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 09:03:03
March 08 2011 09:02 GMT
#1
Anyone read this blog by Michael Moore?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/america-is-not-broke

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America is not broke.

Contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you'll give up your pension, cut your wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich.

Today just 400 Americans have the same wealth as half of all Americans combined.

Let me say that again. 400 obscenely rich people, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer "bailout" of 2008, now have as much loot, stock and property as the assets of 155 million Americans combined. If you can't bring yourself to call that a financial coup d'état, then you are simply not being honest about what you know in your heart to be true.

And I can see why. For us to admit that we have let a small group of men abscond with and hoard the bulk of the wealth that runs our economy, would mean that we'd have to accept the humiliating acknowledgment that we have indeed surrendered our precious Democracy to the moneyed elite. Wall Street, the banks and the Fortune 500 now run this Republic -- and, until this past month, the rest of us have felt completely helpless, unable to find a way to do anything about it.

I have nothing more than a high school degree. But back when I was in school, every student had to take one semester of economics in order to graduate. And here's what I learned: Money doesn't grow on trees. It grows when we make things. It grows when we have good jobs with good wages that we use to buy the things we need and thus create more jobs. It grows when we provide an outstanding educational system that then grows a new generation of inventors, entrepreneurs, artists, scientists and thinkers who come up with the next great idea for the planet. And that new idea creates new jobs and that creates revenue for the state. But if those who have the most money don't pay their fair share of taxes, the state can't function. The schools can't produce the best and the brightest who will go on to create those jobs. If the wealthy get to keep most of their money, we have seen what they will do with it: recklessly gamble it on crazy Wall Street schemes and crash our economy. The crash they created cost us millions of jobs. That too caused a reduction in tax revenue. Everyone ended up suffering because of what the rich did.

The nation is not broke, my friends. Wisconsin is not broke. Saying that the country is broke is repeating a Big Lie. It's one of the three biggest lies of the decade: 1) America is broke, 2) Iraq has WMD, and 3) The Packers can't win the Super Bowl without Brett Favre.

The truth is, there's lots of money to go around. LOTS. It's just that those in charge have diverted that wealth into a deep well that sits on their well-guarded estates. They know they have committed crimes to make this happen and they know that someday you may want to see some of that money that used to be yours. So they have bought and paid for hundreds of politicians across the country to do their bidding for them. But just in case that doesn't work, they've got their gated communities, and the luxury jet is always fully fueled, the engines running, waiting for that day they hope never comes. To help prevent that day when the people demand their country back, the wealthy have done two very smart things:

1. They control the message. By owning most of the media they have expertly convinced many Americans of few means to buy their version of the American Dream and to vote for their politicians. Their version of the Dream says that you, too, might be rich some day -- this is America, where anything can happen if you just apply yourself! They have conveniently provided you with believable examples to show you how a poor boy can become a rich man, how the child of a single mother in Hawaii can become president, how a guy with a high school education can become a successful filmmaker. They will play these stories for you over and over again all day long so that the last thing you will want to do is upset the apple cart -- because you -- yes, you, too! -- might be rich/president/an Oscar-winner some day! The message is clear: keep you head down, your nose to the grindstone, don't rock the boat and be sure to vote for the party that protects the rich man that you might be some day.

2. They have created a poison pill that they know you will never want to take. It is their version of mutually assured destruction. And when they threatened to release this weapon of mass economic annihilation in September of 2008, we blinked. As the economy and the stock market went into a tailspin, and the banks were caught conducting a worldwide Ponzi scheme, Wall Street issued this threat: Either hand over trillions of dollars from the American taxpayers or we will crash this economy straight into the ground. Fork it over or it's Goodbye savings accounts. Goodbye pensions. Goodbye United States Treasury. Goodbye jobs and homes and future. It was friggin' awesome and it scared the shit out of everyone. "Here! Take our money! We don't care. We'll even print more for you! Just take it! But, please, leave our lives alone, PLEASE!"

The executives in the board rooms and hedge funds could not contain their laughter, their glee, and within three months they were writing each other huge bonus checks and marveling at how perfectly they had played a nation full of suckers. Millions lost their jobs anyway, and millions lost their homes. But there was no revolt (see #1).

Until now. On Wisconsin! Never has a Michigander been more happy to share a big, great lake with you! You have aroused the sleeping giant known as the working people of the United States of America. Right now the earth is shaking and the ground is shifting under the feet of those who are in charge. Your message has inspired people in all 50 states and that message is: WE HAVE HAD IT! We reject anyone who tells us America is broke and broken. It's just the opposite! We are rich with talent and ideas and hard work and, yes, love. Love and compassion toward those who have, through no fault of their own, ended up as the least among us. But they still crave what we all crave: Our country back! Our democracy back! Our good name back! The United States of America. NOT the Corporate States of America. The United States of America!

So how do we make this happen? Well, we do it with a little bit of Egypt here, a little bit of Madison there. And let us pause for a moment and remember that it was a poor man with a fruit stand in Tunisia who gave his life so that the world might focus its attention on how a government run by billionaires for billionaires is an affront to freedom and morality and humanity.

Thank you, Wisconsin. You have made people realize this was our last best chance to grab the final thread of what was left of who we are as Americans. For three weeks you have stood in the cold, slept on the floor, skipped out of town to Illinois -- whatever it took, you have done it, and one thing is for certain: Madison is only the beginning. The smug rich have overplayed their hand. They couldn't have just been content with the money they raided from the treasury. They couldn't be satiated by simply removing millions of jobs and shipping them overseas to exploit the poor elsewhere. No, they had to have more -- something more than all the riches in the world. They had to have our soul. They had to strip us of our dignity. They had to shut us up and shut us down so that we could not even sit at a table with them and bargain about simple things like classroom size or bulletproof vests for everyone on the police force or letting a pilot just get a few extra hours sleep so he or she can do their job -- their $19,000 a year job. That's how much some rookie pilots on commuter airlines make, maybe even the rookie pilot who flew me here to Madison today. He told me he's stopped hoping for a pay increase. All he's asking for now is enough down time so that he doesn't have to sleep in his car between shifts at O'Hare airport. That's how despicably low we have sunk! The wealthy couldn't be content with just paying this man $19,000 a year. They had to take away his sleep. They had to demean him and dehumanize him and rub his face in it. After all, he's just another slob, isn't he?

And that, my friends, is Corporate America's fatal mistake. But trying to destroy us they have given birth to a movement -- a movement that is becoming a massive, nonviolent revolt across the country. We all knew there had to be a breaking point some day, and that point is upon us. Many people in the media don't understand this. They say they were caught off guard about Egypt, never saw it coming. Now they act surprised and flummoxed about why so many hundreds of thousands have come to Madison over the last three weeks during brutal winter weather. "Why are they all standing out there in the cold?" I mean, there was that election in November and that was supposed to be that!

"There's something happening here, and you don't know what it is, do you ...?"

America ain't broke! The only thing that's broke is the moral compass of the rulers. And we aim to fix that compass and steer the ship ourselves from now on. Never forget, as long as that Constitution of ours still stands, it's one person, one vote, and it's the thing the rich hate most about America -- because even though they seem to hold all the money and all the cards, they begrudgingly know this one unshakeable basic fact: There are more of us than there are of them!

Madison, do not retreat. We are with you. We will win together.


It's about the Wisconsin state protests. One little fun fact that stuck out at me was the beginning of the blog.. "Today just 400 Americans have the same wealth as half of all Americans combined.

Let me say that again. 400 obscenely rich people, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer "bailout" of 2008, now have as much loot, stock and property as the assets of 155 million Americans combined...."


Holy shit... Holy fucking shit... If I was an American, I would be VERY upset. I know a few of those 400 are people like Bill Gates, and Zuckerburg, and Buffet, but the rest are CEO pigs rolling in filthy cash. Wow.

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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 09:08:17
March 08 2011 09:07 GMT
#2
This will be interesting.

I've known about the obscenely rich people holding a ton of wealth thing for a while, though I didn't know the exact numbers. I can't say for certain but I think it's common knowledge in America these days.

I'm not sure how to respond to this, really, so I'll let others do the talking while I lurk and learn.

Edit: 666 posts. afk not posting anymore.
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Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
March 08 2011 09:13 GMT
#3
I know a few of those 400 are people like Bill Gates, and Zuckerburg, and Buffet, but the rest are CEO pigs rolling in filthy cash. Wow.


Delicious irony right there. Mark Zuckerberg's negative influence is amongst the largest of all rich folks with something to say these days.
Hellhammer
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 09:16:39
March 08 2011 09:14 GMT
#4
On March 08 2011 18:07 Souma wrote:
This will be interesting.

I've known about the obscenely rich people holding a ton of wealth thing for a while, though I didn't know the exact numbers. I can't say for certain but I think it's common knowledge in America these days.

I'm not sure how to respond to this, really, so I'll let others do the talking while I lurk and learn.

Edit: 666 posts. afk not posting anymore.

Lol @ 666 posts

I'm Canadian so I guess until a celebrity says something we don't hear much. I know about the protests and such but I had no idea so much wealth was in the hands of so few. That makes me mad and I'm not even part of your corporation - er I mean country.


On March 08 2011 18:13 Shockk wrote:
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I know a few of those 400 are people like Bill Gates, and Zuckerburg, and Buffet, but the rest are CEO pigs rolling in filthy cash. Wow.


Delicious irony right there. Mark Zuckerberg's negative influence is amongst the largest of all rich folks with something to say these days.

Lol. If you look at it that way, then Gate's influence is definitely among the richest of all rich folks with something to say these days. He holds almost uncountable money with his foundation. Including lots of zucker's and his future wealth as well...
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4367 Posts
March 08 2011 09:59 GMT
#5
Endgame of globalization , the rich get richer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
March 08 2011 10:06 GMT
#6
Americans might be upset, but they won't do anything about it until they lose their jobs, money, etc and also their television, internet, entertainment, etc. (aka never in most cases)

It's all the fault of those greedy, fatcat teachers and government workers. They sit in their mansions and palaces and demand more from good, hardworking, middle class Americans like you and also me.
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 10:19:27
March 08 2011 10:17 GMT
#7
On March 08 2011 18:02 Hellhammer wrote:
Holy shit... Holy fucking shit... If I was an American, I would be VERY upset. I know a few of those 400 are people like Bill Gates, and Zuckerburg, and Buffet, but the rest are CEO pigs rolling in filthy cash. Wow.


Lol

Moore's message is pretty BS

the top 400 richest is composed of people that got spectacularly (in some way or another) lucky with the path they chose (usually an entrepreneurial one)
There are very few "bankers" in that list (if any?), mostly hedge fund managers, which have nothing to do with banks.
the vast majority of the people on that list are composed of entrepreneurs who hit big

And the idea that these 400 richest benefited from the bailout is pretty ludicrous too hahahahahahahaha

I mean, you really, REALLY wanna know what started it? It was the idea that you could own things that you couldn't afford - in particular, a house. A man known as bill clinton started this idea
maahes`ra
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
March 08 2011 10:33 GMT
#8
Something that continually surprised me through the 'bailout' bullshit of a few years ago was the fact that no one got shot.

The U.S. is a country based on revolting against people demanding they have the right to fuck with your money. The fact that none of the swindlers from Wall Street got nailed in the street by someone that lost everything kind of stunned me. Kindof be-all end-all proof that the U.S. populace can be fucked with in any way and they'll just take it at this point.

I can't wait to leave once I get my degree,. o_o;
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
March 08 2011 10:47 GMT
#9
On March 08 2011 19:33 maahes wrote:
Something that continually surprised me through the 'bailout' bullshit of a few years ago was the fact that no one got shot.

The U.S. is a country based on revolting against people demanding they have the right to fuck with your money. The fact that none of the swindlers from Wall Street got nailed in the street by someone that lost everything kind of stunned me. Kindof be-all end-all proof that the U.S. populace can be fucked with in any way and they'll just take it at this point.

I can't wait to leave once I get my degree,. o_o;

exactly what i thought. was pretty surprised no one emptied a clip into someone.
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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
March 08 2011 10:51 GMT
#10
I really hate Michael Moore. Everything about him is wrong.

But yeah, even if indirectly they benefited for sure. Then again, so did everyone else. That really isn't the central theme either way.


On March 08 2011 19:17 BrTarolg wrote:
I mean, you really, REALLY wanna know what started it? It was the idea that you could own things that you couldn't afford - in particular, a house. A man known as bill clinton started this idea


Or those bankers. Delighted at the concept.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 08 2011 10:58 GMT
#11
On March 08 2011 19:33 maahes wrote:
Something that continually surprised me through the 'bailout' bullshit of a few years ago was the fact that no one got shot.

The U.S. is a country based on revolting against people demanding they have the right to fuck with your money. The fact that none of the swindlers from Wall Street got nailed in the street by someone that lost everything kind of stunned me. Kindof be-all end-all proof that the U.S. populace can be fucked with in any way and they'll just take it at this point.

I can't wait to leave once I get my degree,. o_o;


You aren't the only one to think that.

Wisconsin has me giggling with happiness though. Republicans really overstepped their bounds with that one and JUST MAYBE this is what the country needed to realize the shit coming their way if they don't do something.

Hell even other Republicans are telling Walker to back the fuck off because it's going to crash down around his head.

I remember a quote from Walker two days ago...

"The unions are acting like this because they are afraid of change. Change breeds fear, and fear breeds anger."

Really? Holy shit you patronizing mother fucker I am so surprised you haven't gotten your face ripped off for saying something so insulting.

The day getting your right to bargain for your life stripped is simply considered a "change"...as if it's a minor issue, is the day I leave.
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Fiveandahalf
Profile Joined January 2011
United States10 Posts
March 08 2011 11:50 GMT
#12
Most estimates I've read put Moore's net worth around $50million; I'd say he's way closer to the top 400 rich people then pretty much everyone who reads his blogs and buys his stuff.
maahes`ra
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
March 08 2011 12:03 GMT
#13
On March 08 2011 19:58 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 19:33 maahes wrote:
Something that continually surprised me through the 'bailout' bullshit of a few years ago was the fact that no one got shot.

The U.S. is a country based on revolting against people demanding they have the right to fuck with your money. The fact that none of the swindlers from Wall Street got nailed in the street by someone that lost everything kind of stunned me. Kindof be-all end-all proof that the U.S. populace can be fucked with in any way and they'll just take it at this point.

I can't wait to leave once I get my degree,. o_o;


You aren't the only one to think that.

Wisconsin has me giggling with happiness though. Republicans really overstepped their bounds with that one and JUST MAYBE this is what the country needed to realize the shit coming their way if they don't do something.

Hell even other Republicans are telling Walker to back the fuck off because it's going to crash down around his head.

I remember a quote from Walker two days ago...

"The unions are acting like this because they are afraid of change. Change breeds fear, and fear breeds anger."

Really? Holy shit you patronizing mother fucker I am so surprised you haven't gotten your face ripped off for saying something so insulting.

The day getting your right to bargain for your life stripped is simply considered a "change"...as if it's a minor issue, is the day I leave.


Yeah, this shit in Wisconsin is nuts. The propagandists are using the envy some might have had toward government workers to somehow weave a tale wherein it wasn't the top 1% taking everyone's money with unregulated math voodoo, it was the receptionist at the DMV that made us all poor.

Walker seems like the king of idiots the more he says... I dread that this bill gets passed, however. It'll just be another substantial blow to the middle class and it'll set a precedent that other states are already looking to domino off of.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4367 Posts
March 08 2011 12:07 GMT
#14
On March 08 2011 20:50 Fiveandahalf wrote:
Most estimates I've read put Moore's net worth around $50million; I'd say he's way closer to the top 400 rich people then pretty much everyone who reads his blogs and buys his stuff.

Yeah , capitalism has really worked out well for him i guess?
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_hate
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Japan112 Posts
March 08 2011 13:22 GMT
#15
At least some of them have good philanthropy styll
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32093 Posts
March 08 2011 15:05 GMT
#16
On March 08 2011 19:51 Romantic wrote:
I really hate Michael Moore. Everything about him is wrong.

But yeah, even if indirectly they benefited for sure. Then again, so did everyone else. That really isn't the central theme either way.


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On March 08 2011 19:17 BrTarolg wrote:
I mean, you really, REALLY wanna know what started it? It was the idea that you could own things that you couldn't afford - in particular, a house. A man known as bill clinton started this idea


Or those bankers. Delighted at the concept.


I still find it fascinating that somehow the legions of dumb shit people who voluntarily signed mortgages they could never afford escaped blame in all that in the eyes of most. America, the land where accountability only matters as long as you're not implicating yourself!!

I also find it hilarious that Michael Moore, who is worth several million and makes a career off of stroking this ridiculous sense of entitlement that so many people have, has the audacity to start talking about redistributing the wealth.

Also funny is that he is acting as if public employees aren't the single biggest drain on any municipality or state. Attend your local budget meeting. See just how much salary some retard who barely passed high school gets for picking up downed trees at the DPW. Then prepare to punch yourself in the head when you realize he's probably getting benefits you could only dream of and he'll get $50k-ish a year for life on his pension when he retires after 20-25 years at fucking 55.

On a local, county and state level, the biggest expenditures are almost always for government employees, who get ridiculous benefits that they contribute next to nothing for. To say that it isn't a major issue means you are a goddamn idiot.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 15:11:25
March 08 2011 15:10 GMT
#17
On March 09 2011 00:05 Hawk wrote:
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On March 08 2011 19:51 Romantic wrote:
I really hate Michael Moore. Everything about him is wrong.

But yeah, even if indirectly they benefited for sure. Then again, so did everyone else. That really isn't the central theme either way.


On March 08 2011 19:17 BrTarolg wrote:
I mean, you really, REALLY wanna know what started it? It was the idea that you could own things that you couldn't afford - in particular, a house. A man known as bill clinton started this idea


Or those bankers. Delighted at the concept.


I still find it fascinating that somehow the legions of dumb shit people who voluntarily signed mortgages they could never afford escaped blame in all that in the eyes of most. America, the land where accountability only matters as long as you're not implicating yourself!!

I dunno, I think a fair amount of non dumbshit people were just encouraged by the bankers who told them they could afford that shit, and everybody in general telling them a house = a good and safe investment. Obviously those mortgages were dangerous as fuck in retrospect, but at the time people were getting them, nobody was warning them so. Do you expect the average dumbshit to understand how dumb/predatory bankers get when they're caught up in bubblemania?
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32093 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 15:20:52
March 08 2011 15:18 GMT
#18
If you can't be bothered to do your own, independent research on mortgages prior to agreeing on a purchase of several hundred thousands of dollars, yes, you are an idiot. Plain and simple, it is a lack of accountability.

How is that any different than going car shopping and being like 'oh well the salesman told me this car is way under value and it's totally fine, let me skip all inspection, research and screw shopping to compare prices'

People buying things they can't afford is a tradition in this country, as is passing the blame.

What's even more wonderful is that the people who did live within their means and don't carry insane, unpayable debt don't get the government to help them out.

e; if you don't understand the logic that goes into a $500,000 transaction, you shouldn't be buying a house until you figure out the process. The whole thing can be summed up as a bunch of dumbasses buying on a whim instead of doing research.
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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
March 08 2011 15:22 GMT
#19
I'm really starting to think that there will be some sort of revolution soon in the US. Not like Egypt or Libya of course, but something drastic. There's just too much inequality, and everybody is pissed that we live in "the richest country in the world" and yet still feel poor.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 15:33:08
March 08 2011 15:22 GMT
#20
On March 09 2011 00:18 Hawk wrote:
If you can't be bothered to do your own, independent research on mortgages prior to agreeing on a purchase of several hundred thousands of dollars, yes, you are an idiot. Plain and simple, it is a lack of accountability.

Can you point me to an example of said research that would've discouraged someone from gettting a shitty adjustable mortgage? Preferably one that was up before the collapse. I'm not sure the "THIS IS BULLSHIT" sign was so easy to find. Especially when the banks themselves were offering stupideasy versions of the "pros and cons" of fixed vs adjustable mortgages or whatnot. I actually don't know the details of the predatory aspects, do you?

EDIT: In general too, people generally look for confirmation to the rationalizations of their desires more than for discouragement. Even if they found a bunch of sources, and like 5 of them said "this could be bullshit" and 5 of them said "this is probably safe," they'd probably believe the latter. I still think it's less an issue of how stupid Americans are and more an issue of the bullshit that banks were advertising in the first place. Europeans are generally OK with apartments, and their government wasn't screaming at them that home ownership = their dream.

EDIT2: And even if they had done the research, and people warned them of the possible event that some bubble pops and their adjustable rate rockets and they get fucked, it sounds like a black swan event that people wouldn't expect anyway. People don't like accounting for black swans, even educated investors (until Nassim Taleb wrote a book about that shit anyhow, read it if you havent).
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