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Poll: Would you like to hang on west while iCCup is down for some fun stuff?No, i'll be on east spamming in all capslock. (27) 87% Yes (4) 13% 31 total votes Your vote: Would you like to hang on west while iCCup is down for some fun stuff? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No, i'll be on east spamming in all capslock.
EDIT : Do the poll after you've read the blog ! if you choose to read it!
I don't make many blog posts but I felt that this was a good time to make one, recently I have become extremely bored with SC2, and found myself going back to Brood War to find that old nostalgic feeling, and I got that feeling and some, I actually now enjoy playing BW even more than I did before I stopped playing about 6 - 7 months ago because of SC2 Beta.
SC2 Is a fun game for me but I'm beginning to think that that is all it has to offer me, and even that doesn't offer me much, because I always find myself getting bored and not really having anymore fun on SC2 after a few games, I'm sure this is because I mass gamed so much since the beta, I've played over 6K games since beta I know that much.
My problem with SC2 is I guess the staleness of the maps, the dynamics of the game, it all just seems way to easy, or maybe a better way to put it is way to ' simple ' . That doesn't mean that you will win every game though, it's just the meta game , unit counters and everything is so simple, and then the whole giant armies colliding at once and whole armies just destroyed in a few seconds rather than the ' fillers ' ( I guess you could say ) in between battles in BroodWar, like for instance a Tank push across the map , inch by inch, battling your way with precise siege and unsiege to get to the desired checkpoint, I mean that can happen in SC2 as well but not to the same extent, it's just mostly giant armies colliding and just bassically simple massing of units.
I played Zerg in SC2 , this is probably one of the reasons why I get so bored of SC2 after losing so many times because of what I feel is small stupid mistakes , it becomes really frustrating and discouraging when you lose games all the time as zerg that you don't feel like you should have lost, after that happens a few times I bassically just lose interest and then find myself half ass playing and losing more which just causes me to get so bored and frustrated I just return to a game that I actually enjoy regardless of whether I win or lose , probably because of the difficulty, and the reward I am presented if I am victorious in battle.
I'm not sure if this will be the end of my SC2 gaming , I actually know it isn't , I guess I will just take a much needed break from SC2 until ( crossing fingers ) they release the new maps, which I hope will be soon.
I was thinking the today about BroodWar and SC2 and I thought... In my mind the majority of all the foreigners in the scene went to SC2 because of a few reasons, money, And because also they want something new, or maybe they want something easier and cannot take the pains from carpal tunnel anymore..Would I play a game that I might be a lot better at because of the simplistic way of the game but not enjoy it as much, or rather play a game that I love and enjoy but am not as good at?...The point is that this has been bothering me so much bassically since I started playing SC2 and I have finally come to grips with my true thoughts, I enjoy playing BW a lot more than SC2, even if it is a harder game to play (especially after I've been on SC2 for 6-7 months X_X )
I've been streaming BW almost every day now and I plan on streaming it every day because I check the streamer list a lot of the time and sometimes I really see 0 ZERO bw streamers, and i'm like wow...a little piece of me dies inside.. but it's time to revive myself, the spark and revival for my love of the game has already happened, so I am very happy right now. I just wanted to share.
There has been a lot of BW streamers though so I am happy for that, I'm glad we have BW streamers like hirosue, sayle, spacemarine, fedOr ( my personal favorite for the 1a2a3a restream OMG so funny ) , ect ect.
I want to figure a way help the BW community here on TLnet, while iccup is down this weekend I was thinking about having a bot in op TL-west , get games going, play / obs, maybe host a tournament and help get people some games vs some good korean players on west.
P.S. - The one thing that I feel I benefited from playing SC2 is that I mass gamed as Zerg, and now I think I am going to come back to BW as Zerg, that kinda sparked my love for the game again, a race I've never really played, it is so much fun too. My highest rank was B- before I started SC2, but I'm sure it will take me a long time to get back to that level. Thank you Teamliquid.
Sincerely, Telecom
EDIT #2 :
^ A little treat for my fellow FBH fans
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Im just gonna call this blog going to the shitter right away without anyone actually reading the OP.
Awesome FBH pic tho
User was warned for this post
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GOOOO BROOODWAR!!!
I have very similar feelings and thanks for the streaming!
+ Show Spoiler +God knows we have too little BW streamers 
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i could start playing bw and stream... but I have never played bw except from with friends vs the computer :D
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On February 25 2011 08:42 Slakkoo wrote:
i could start playing bw and stream... but I have never played bw except from with friends vs the computer :D
Please stream!! I would watch any BW streamer!
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Why would you say that KasPra ? so pessimistic and pointless to even say that. regardless lol I think my joke about spamming capslock on east is gonna ruin the poll :-P
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i havent really played bw but i follow it as good as i can and i find it better and better every time i watch it
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Slakkoo yea I agree totally, what was the most recent PL match you saw?
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Canada8031 Posts
On February 25 2011 08:45 GGzerG wrote:
Why would you say that KasPra ? so pessimistic and pointless to even say that. regardless lol I think my joke about spamming capslock on east is gonna ruin the poll :-P
Because you have the words "SC1 vs SC2" are in your blog title. Generally, those words are a surefire way to have your thread degenerate an argument between the two factions.
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On February 25 2011 08:45 GGzerG wrote:
Why would you say that KasPra ? so pessimistic and pointless to even say that. regardless lol I think my joke about spamming capslock on east is gonna ruin the poll :-P
Well with the lack of sc1 vs sc2 threads recently i assumed everyone have kept the angst inside of them for too long and now they finally had a place to let it all out lol.
It was all sarcastic though, seeing as every "discussion" so far has been at least semi-retarded.
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On February 25 2011 08:50 GGzerG wrote:
Slakkoo yea I agree totally, what was the most recent PL match you saw?
Oz...? Hm no idea
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Ok Spazer point taken, well I thought about that and thats why I wrote " in my mind " lol, I thought that might of helped so people don't realize i'm like flaming either game :-P
Thanks for you're input.
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Awesome FBH pic....
Why not change your race on sc2 if you uncomfortable with zerg? Maybe zerg isn't the right race for you. Perhaps playing random for a while to find your 'true' race.
Oh, and please do stream BW, I'll definitely watch if I have time.
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Yep, I'm not laddering until there are new maps. Just sick of 'em.
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because like I stated before I've played almost 10K games as zerg since beta, I don't really want to just start all over playing protoss or terran even though it would be 100x easier than playing Zerg in SC2 . :-P , and plus.... I just enjoy Broodwar more than SC2... I dunno it's just how I feel. :-P
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i should make my own blog but i'll just post here instead maybe.
i feel like sc2 has a number of problems with it.
in SC1 standard a-move units did not do much damage. they were needed as the bulk of your army. but shot for shot they wern't very good
atleast not when you compare them with the other units
these are the units that required control. reaver/HT/defiler/spider mines(kind of)
these units did a ridiculous amount of damage in a huge area, or had the potential to swing a battle shockingly wide in their favor.
the easiest comparison is colossus into reaver
reavers doing 100 damage a shot, huge splash radius. but super fragile, super slow, each shot was 25 minerals, had to constantly produce ammo for it.
good reaver shuttle micro would make or break your harassment/push and while the colossus holds that same sort of role (if the colossus die your army becomes weaker by a huge amount)
it's just an a-move unit that can walk up cliffs.
it's traded damage and splash radius for mobility and survivability.
i feel this is trademark of the new blizzard and the way they now balance their games.
"Equalizing"
if you look at wow almost all class specific skills are no longer unique to that class. every class has a silence or interrupt for example.
it seems like Blizzard looked at units. nerfed what they were good at and buffed what they were bad at.
what this has left us with is alot of boring units that have little to no potential.
the only things i can really think of that provoke excitement in spectators are
mass storms
so many banelings
this is a sad thing
my other concern with starcraft is the food cost for units is too high. they could do day9's suggestion of raising the food cap to 300. maybe that would work. but. i actually think the problem lies in Blizzard wanted to make lots of big cool eye catching units.
Thor, Mothership, ULTRALISK(god they are big)
these units cost a truckload of minerals. gas and most importantly food.
armies are tiny. unless they are pure gateway or something like that.
what would i like to see in maybe an expansion to change the game in a positive way?
well im not sure how you would change the colossus to be more interesting. infact almost every new unit blizzard has designed is kind of flat. theres nothing to do with them. which is very worrysome.
i'd like to see less strength in a-move units and more strength in the use of abilities/position/control
i dont think the game is boring because it's too easy due to MBS or automine. theres just nothing to do with your units bar attack move. simply because it's the best/easiest way to crush your enemy.
races should be overpowered. each race should have their own thing a player can do that just seems ridiculous. but not just anyone. skilled players.
balance should be obtained by an equal amount of "overpowered" on each race.
then we'd have an exciting game.
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nice post MavercK, aren't you the creator of SC2BW ? I agree with bassically everything you are saying, except that they should change food count to 300/300 :-P
I totally agree that all terran / protoss units are so overpolished and some things i cant come to grips with like the mothership... it just seems like an irrelevant unit when looking at zerg's units lol
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yea, i am the creator.
sadly i got bored/frustrated with the game much faster than you did haha
started SC2BW not long after release
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yea thats cool, I'm curious why you didn't just go back to broodwar, even though all the awesome work you and your crew have put in to make SC2BW for the people who like it better, it is absolutely amazing work, even though I prefer BW itself more.... cant say again how amazing you and your crews work is 
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I totally appreciate what you're talking about here. I played Brood War a long time ago -- in 6th grade, against friends only, with nr20. Basically I was a noob among scrubs. And now as a 2800 master zerg I find myself watching nrg.GoD's stream more intently than any others; the sounds and animations are perfect, the apm is orgasmic, and the strategy is SO refined.
Good blog, but I have to admit after reading it I rofl'd. I expected you to be D+ at most, then you reveal you were B-
YOU ARE NOT BAD AT BROODWAR -___-
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You're welcome ;]
dem mutas will always keep you coming back for more BW 
ill be watching your stream often and glad to have you back  I may actually have to start playing more bw myself, also I would be down to play some games on west aslong as there are more than 3 people O.O
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banelings can go under burrowed bombs and bomb drops. dropping onto massive banelings can kill a lot of them (like zealot bombing except now its ontop of baneling).
initial banshees can do a lot of damage. so many games have i seen with banshee taking 10+ kills and banshee micro @@
dont forget the sentry. i mean trapping units with forcefield and then easily killng them? That may not be as satisfying as popping units with reavers but its the same OPness all over again.
Hellions also do good splash damage to workers. i remember a game where the workers were sliding out of the base and here comes hellion all workers gone in 1 sec.
blink stalkers are pretty OP too. too fast -_- and cant kill the stalkers since they all blink away
anyways, i can keep going but i guess it doesnt matter. both are two different games so its hard to compare. i enjoy both and find both good games.
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ahh Sad[Panda] , Sad[Panda] is a viewer that was new to my stream yesterday, and he is actually the reason that I became inspired to play Zerg in BW, after winning like 10 games in a row due to his suggestion, I found a new love for Zerg, so I owe all my thanks to you Sad[Panda], you should change your name to Happy[Panda] because you made me happy xD
EDIT : Lokian yea true but I'm not really trying to compare SC1 and SC2 in terms of which game is better, only which game that I enjoy more, I guess some of the things I said could be portrayed as that i'm bashing SC2 or Zerg balance, I don't think SC2 is badly imbalanced at all, it's just these crappy maps that make it so hard for Zerg IMO... T_T
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United States7481 Posts
I feel like it's not very productive to argue about bw vs sc2, obviously everybody has their own opinions and they're going to differ. you have valid points but that doesn't mean everybody is going to agree with them, at the same time a lot of people will. My only question is about what you call the "staleness of maps", isn't python still the most played iccup after 4 or 5 years? and HBR one of the most played as well?
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I DEMAND CONFIRMATION!
was that really really FBH? :D
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Well yea Antoine but python and HBR are excellent maps, while the blizzard maps are all horrible, and too small... Python and HBR are beautiful maps  .. and yes to confirm in that screenshot it is the real firebathero, KT.MGW)GGaeMo , and TheRocK, and dream.t)coffee, all real pro gamers, many pro gamers all hang on USWest in Op ClanBy, although you don't have to take my word for it, I guess I could go get more screenshots of good well known players on USWest to confirm that all these pro gamers are real.
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BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
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@antoine... right now, the most played map on iccup would probably be Fighting spirit. I believe it was python -> destination -> heartbreak ridge -> fs. (i think that's the order)
@dc... Personally, I don't like sc2 because of everything you listed, autocast, automine.
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On February 25 2011 10:04 dcberkeley wrote:
BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
basically these reasons is why i chose to do sc2bw instead of just going back to bw
sc2 engine has many improvements that are nice to have.
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dcberkeley all those reasons you listed about why BW is "bassically unplayable" is why it has such an amazing re play value, all those things you listed is what makes BW the game it is lol. T_T
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On February 25 2011 10:04 dcberkeley wrote:
BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
so basically, what you're saying is you want to put in no effort and get all the rewards?
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On February 25 2011 10:04 dcberkeley wrote:
BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
I originally thought the same but once you get used to it, its really quite simple.
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On February 25 2011 09:17 GGzerG wrote:
nice post MavercK, aren't you the creator of SC2BW ? I agree with bassically everything you are saying, except that they should change food count to 300/300 :-P
I totally agree that all terran / protoss units are so overpolished and some things i cant come to grips with like the mothership... it just seems like an irrelevant unit when looking at zerg's units lol
The mothership is a funny piece of creation. It first started off as a unit that could use abilities like "time bomb", "black hole" and "planet cracker". Then they decided that they should just make it a glorified arbiter.
Anyways, we should try and play RW more often. Also with the fish server and brainclan servers being made available I can finally mass games amongst koreans! yay! (Unfortunately all the games I see are on python, and I can only play on FS T_T).
On February 25 2011 10:04 dcberkeley wrote:
BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
Magic Box Casting > autocasting
MBS isn't all that much of an issue if you setup a base nicely and have a "macro zone".
Difficulty curve is hard, but entirely justified.
Not everyone is gosu.
There's no (automatic) matchmaking but you can watch replays together. Not to mention you can race pick if you wanted to or not play against certain races if you don't want to.
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Yea true, I saw the thread about "race wars everyday!" , I never really played many race wars but I guess I should try it out more now, whats your name on iCCup or West Nazza? I don't have brain or fish DLed atm.
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On February 25 2011 10:31 GGzerG wrote:
Yea true, I saw the thread about "race wars everyday!" , I never really played many race wars but I guess I should try it out more now, whats your name on iCCup or West Nazza? I don't have brain or fish DLed atm.
I'm "Nazza131" on Iccup, but there's a list of everyone that I put on the thread. Sadly I don't play all that much because of the time differences but they played some a few days ago so I heard.
EDIT: 1400 KST today, or in about 3 hours? Grobyc says so, so you gotta be there.
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I want to play some team micro melee with people who actually know how to play the map. I'm QuothTheRaven on iCCup / USEast, and QuiQuaeQuod on USWest; if you see me on I'd probably play!
I'm really busy this weekend, though
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Do you mind if I ask you which race you play in BW, OP?
I am really interested, since you talked about your love of the game being rekindled. All races view the game differently, and thus, love it in different ways.
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On February 25 2011 10:04 dcberkeley wrote:
BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
Lol?
It takes less than five minutes to get Brood War running on Win 7. I've done it myself. And it definitely takes WAY less than 5 minutes to get a game of Brood War. As for anti hack, it requires you to click on a different icon. How is that a hassle at all?
In fact, I just had an 8 hour + gaming session (not exagerrating) of CONSTANTLY playing Brood War. I NEVER had to wait for a game, it was just constant playing. And I wasn't even playing on the low ladder ratings where most players are.
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I played a fair share of P and T in BW up untill release of SC2 beta, restarting as zerg kinda because I played a lot of zerg in SC2 so it made me like zerg a lot, and because microing mutalisks in SC1 is way more fun
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On February 25 2011 11:01 GGzerG wrote:I played a fair share of P and T in BW up untill release of SC2 beta, restarting as zerg kinda because I played a lot of zerg in SC2 so it made me like zerg a lot, and because microing mutalisks in SC1 is way more fun
Imo, Zerg is the most fun race in BW. =)
That's just 'cause they suit me best, though. I can see why people would think Terran is more fun.
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On February 25 2011 11:08 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 11:01 GGzerG wrote:I played a fair share of P and T in BW up untill release of SC2 beta, restarting as zerg kinda because I played a lot of zerg in SC2 so it made me like zerg a lot, and because microing mutalisks in SC1 is way more fun Imo, Zerg is the most fun race in BW. =) That's just 'cause they suit me best, though. I can see why people would think Terran is more fun.
Well really every race has its awesome abilities in BW I could enjoy any race even though I play zerg.
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Russian Federation327 Posts
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Unfortunately there is no patch to fix DirecDraw crashes under win7.
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I've always wondered how many foreign pro-gamers like Idra, Jinro, Ret, and etc. are nostolgic about BW.
I mean there are D,D+ players who are coming back from SC2, and if those people, who weren't even that exceptional at the game, are feeling like coming back, I can only imagine how much the Bs and As, who were actually damn good at a game thats sooooo hard to be good at, feel like they want to come back.
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On February 25 2011 11:28 Yodo wrote:
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Unfortunately there is no patch to fix DirecDraw crashes under win7.
Blizzard promised BW players a patch to run BW in win7.I'm surprised this blog hasn't gone south,I guess a lot of SC2 fans are super optimists,its good,they love the game and so do I and they want it to give BW a run for its money.Healthy competition eh?
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A little bit of me just got revived. Thank you. Oh yes, I I suck horrors at BW, I win significantly less games. But you know what? I still have more fun
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Awesome Lightningbullet !! I'm glad that you had some satisfaction from the blog bro.
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On February 25 2011 11:48 don_kyuhote wrote:
I've always wondered how many foreign pro-gamers like Idra, Jinro, Ret, and etc. are nostolgic about BW.
I asked Liquid`Tyler on his stream last night and he said he has no feelings at all for BW, and I think WhiteRa is playing BW again too.
also are you guys still playing games on bnet?
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On February 25 2011 17:10 Terrakin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 11:48 don_kyuhote wrote:
I've always wondered how many foreign pro-gamers like Idra, Jinro, Ret, and etc. are nostolgic about BW.
I asked Liquid`Tyler on his stream last night and he said he has no feelings at all for BW, and I think WhiteRa is playing BW again too. also are you guys still playing games on bnet?
I wouldn't expect any SC2 pro, let alone a Liquid member, to say in public that he wants to go back to BW.
I thought too that a lot of SC2 pros were completely into SC2 until Idra said it was otherwise.
http://soundcloud.com/jcmoods/inc1
We play on ICCUP.
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On February 25 2011 17:28 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 17:10 Terrakin wrote:On February 25 2011 11:48 don_kyuhote wrote:
I've always wondered how many foreign pro-gamers like Idra, Jinro, Ret, and etc. are nostolgic about BW.
I asked Liquid`Tyler on his stream last night and he said he has no feelings at all for BW, and I think WhiteRa is playing BW again too. also are you guys still playing games on bnet? I wouldn't expect any SC2 pro, let alone a Liquid member, to say in public that he wants to go back to BW. I thought too that a lot of SC2 pros were completely into SC2 until Idra said it was otherwise. http://soundcloud.com/jcmoods/inc1We play on ICCUP.
this
you wont hear it from anyone invested in the game. despite what they actually think. we will never know.
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Does anyone decent play on Bnet? I need to improve. Oh no! I haven't been on my Bnet account for 3 and a half months. :OOOO
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On topic: Yes, I play both games, and blizzard just tries to make the game easier and easier so they can farm noobs. Otherwise, 3k masters wouldn't be the equivalent of D+ on iccup, which really is. I have been playing more sc2 and less bw lately, I don't watch BW streamers too much (except sayle lol I thought that telecom played protoss in BW so I prefer to watch a sc2 zerg over a bw protoss because i'm zerg in both games), but iccup is fucking back. So am I.
QUOTE]On February 25 2011 10:17 Garrl wrote:
On February 25 2011 10:04 dcberkeley wrote:
BW is basically unplayable. It's got terrible resolution, it requires so many fixes for you to run it on win7, there's no matchmaking, it requires antihack, separate application to get on iccup. There's no MBS, autocasting, automining, the difficulty curve is vertical and everyone is gosu.
Sadly, it's a superior game but I'll be playing SC2 while watching BW.
so basically, what you're saying is you want to put in no effort and get all the rewards?[/QUOTE]
That's what I wanted to say, but you're faster. By 2 weeks.
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