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This is my very first TeamLiquid blog, so go easy on me ^_^
Poll: How do you feel about self-titled build orders?Stupid and arrogant. (37) 54% They made the effort, they can name it what they want.. (18) 26% I don't care, a build is a build. (13) 19% 68 total votes Your vote: How do you feel about self-titled build orders? (Vote): They made the effort, they can name it what they want..
(Vote): I don't care, a build is a build.
(Vote): Stupid and arrogant.
So, what are the opinions out there of players who name a build or tactic after themselves? I've seen posts from all sides of the issue, but I'd like to poll the crowd and get a better sense of things.
I personally think that if the author put the effort forth and it is fairly original, they can go ahead and title the build or tactic whatever they'd like. I know I might sound a little biased because I have a build named after myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to hear other opinions or take criticism.
Some examples are:
Synystyr's Anti-Colossus TvP Build
iEchoic's 2Fact2Port TvT Build
iEchoic's 1-1-2 Hellion Drop TvP Build
Griffith's 4OC Pressure Push TvZ Build
Griffith's Magic Box
The list goes on, not too much longer, but you guys get the idea.
Related, is it more acceptable to instead have your style of play referenced by another and then coined as a household build name in that manner? CecilSunkure has referenced a few styles of play and those "self-titled" builds seem to be widely accepted.
Thoughts?
And just for kicks...(inspired by Antisocialmunky)
Leaderboard of people with self-titled builds/tactics:
iEchoic - 2
Griffith - 2
CecilSunkure(Indirectly) - 2
Synystyr - 1
Kcdc - 1
Thromboyzt - 1
Gnial - 1
Antimage - 1
Maybe we can even turn this into a competition xD
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51707 Posts
the only thing that bothered me was Griffith's magic box,he only explored its possiblities.
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If your build is sufficiently innovative, others will use your name to refer to it. Trying to claim that right for yourself will simply make people laugh at you.
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Hyrule19266 Posts
I'd rather have the person say "here's my build and details about it" and use a descriptive name (ie: "2 fact 2 port"), then let the rest of the community decide if they want to call it "the iEchoic build" or the "wtfrapeeverything build" or whatever.
Just makes more sense to me.
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Sure, if the build is great enough that it changed the way games played like SK Terran.
edit: I mean as long their build really bring innovation like SK Terran did, not that SoulKey named his build SK Terran.
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I think it should be more of a community given title, rather than something you can proclaim yourself. The Bisu-build wasn't called such because Bisu named it after himself, he popularized the build and the Starcraft community named it after him.
It comes off pretentious when you name a build after yourself, don't do it.
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Named builds can only be given by the community. If you want to try to influence the community into naming a build after you, go right ahead.
Stalife didn't call Stalife drops "Stalife drops", did he?
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On February 24 2011 00:31 bonifaceviii wrote:
Named builds can only be given by the community. If you want to try to influence the community into naming a build after you, go right ahead.
Stalife didn't call Stalife drops "Stalife drops", did he?
I'm pretty sure you're kidding ;p but he did, and ppl didnt like it
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there was a guy named Faze who got away with it, because he learned a trick with void rays, and the name was appropriate.
otherwise, you just end up looking like a joke. I think iEchoic is fine, cause mostly he's just naming the thread or the guide, as "iEchoic's guide to x build" and not "The iEchoic Build." Now that its making a splash, people refer to it by whatever they like, for the sake of clarity and conciseness
and Griffith taking the "magic box" and adding his name on it? its been explored and identified years before he even heard about starcraft and he wants credit for it? shame. shame i say.
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It only works if your name works. Like if your name is Screen and you figure out a trick for splitting marines, you can upload a replay like "Yo guys check out my SCREEN RINES". I think that would be pretty cool.
Otherwise you would be better off not stamping your name on a build.
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Well, the threads you linked don't actually have people naming the builds after themselves. They are just stating possession. It's not like you called your build the Synystr build. You just titled your thread Synystr's build, and even described the build in the title too. I think that's totally fine, and the right thing to do.
If you came up with a fairly innovative build, you should definitely show that you came up with it. It helps differentiate whether you came up with the build or that you saw someone else do it and studied it or whatever, like the guy who wrote the thread on Yongwha's 3gate robo. If it's a good build, people will pick up on it and maybe even refer to build with you name. If it's not a really popular build, like that 4 OC one you linked, it will probably fade into oblivion and no one will remember you.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
Chill and I were looking through Liquipedia one day at some super generic build guide, it was like 14 pool 15 hatch or something. All the edits are documented, and after a long list of contributions and fixes by Liquipedia staff this one kid kid had made one final edit:
The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening.
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The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch (AKA the SyKnEsS build) is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening.
Fuck
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On February 24 2011 00:51 intrigue wrote:Chill and I were looking through Liquipedia one day at some super generic build guide, it was like 14 pool 15 hatch or something. All the edits are documented, and after a long list of contributions and fixes by Liquipedia staff this one kid kid had made one final edit: Show nested quote +The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening. to Show nested quote +The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch (AKA the SyKnEsS build) is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening. Fuck
hahaha that's amazing
I'm gonna go call the 12 drone rush the "boni build"
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51707 Posts
On February 24 2011 00:51 intrigue wrote:Chill and I were looking through Liquipedia one day at some super generic build guide, it was like 14 pool 15 hatch or something. All the edits are documented, and after a long list of contributions and fixes by Liquipedia staff this one kid kid had made one final edit: Show nested quote +The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening. to Show nested quote +The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch (AKA the SyKnEsS build) is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening. Fuck
lol!seriously,some people think that they made X build because they did it that one time.
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On February 24 2011 00:51 intrigue wrote:Chill and I were looking through Liquipedia one day at some super generic build guide, it was like 14 pool 15 hatch or something. All the edits are documented, and after a long list of contributions and fixes by Liquipedia staff this one kid kid had made one final edit: Show nested quote +The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening. to Show nested quote +The 14 Pool, 15 Hatch (AKA the SyKnEsS build) is a general macro-oriented setup, popularized by IdrA as it is his standard opening. Fuck
Gonna start calling the 13pool the Hollow build, my internet penis will grow 4 inches in 2 weeks.
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unless its the sjow build xD
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If I really wanted to share some of my other builds, I could have like 5 unique builds nobody's seen before and top ur list. :D
but that aside, i felt like back then going VR/colossus was a really unique composition that had lots of potential with a solid opening - a concept that has become really popular lately these days as well.
I'm happy if a contribution I made helped further the "meta-game" =)
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I't does kind of bother me when people attach their names to things that have already been done and it just ends up looking stupid. I guess it's OK to name yourself after something you put a lot of work into but sometimes it's easier to call something a 4port or stalker/VR so thats what i end up calling it anyways.
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