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Hi guys , i saw this article last week about female golfers complaining about equality rulings forcing them to pay the same as men at golf clubs.It made me think what would happen if there was a major war and conscription was enacted , for men AND women - after all equality is equality right - would women complain then as well? What about female only gyms - scrap them?
Do women want equality or just preferential treatment? Personally i think the latter.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8320250/Lady-golfers-unhappy-about-law-to-end-sex-discrimination.html
Lady golfers unhappy about law to end sex discrimination
The Equality Act has given women more rights in golf clubs – but many lady golfers have been left out of pocket and out of sorts.
It was meant to put women on a par with men.
Women golfers have long faced restrictions at their local courses on what times they could play and which bars they could drink in. Often they were blocked from becoming club captain.
So when Harriet Harman introduced the Equality Act to give women more rights in work places and social settings, golf clubs were seen as ripe for reform.
But the drive by Labour’s leading feminist seems to have landed in the bunker. Many women golfers say that, following the changes, which have brought an end to men-only tee-off times at many clubs, they now have to pay more for membership.
Although the legislation was passed by Parliament just before last year’s election and came into force in October, many of its effects are only now being felt, with golf clubs forced to rewrite their own rule books.
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As well as allowing ladies to play on whatever day they want, clubs are also having to admit women to “men only” bars and restaurants in clubhouses, and some are abolishing the traditional post of club captain. Others are even planning to scrap “husband and wife” contests, replacing them with “mixed competitions” in which civil partners can also compete.
Kirstie Thirde, from the English Golf Partnership which incorporates governing and professional bodies, said many women were unhappy that they must now have the same unrestricted membership terms as men, meaning that they lost their ladies’ discount.
Mrs Thirde backed the Act but admitted: “Many golf club ladies don’t want equality.
“All they feel the Equality Act does is increase their fees and allow them access to the course at weekends, which they really don’t need.
“I visit an awful lot of clubs talking about the equality issue, and they will say to you 'women don’t want this.’ ”
Many women golfers are over 50 and retired. She said: “They play during the week. They don’t need access to the course at the weekend, so why would somebody pay for something they don’t want?”
Chris Jones, editor of Golf World magazine, said he too had heard women golfers complaining about the Act. “A lot of them are on fixed incomes and can’t justify an extra £40 a month for golf club membership.
“Most women don’t want to play with us men. They don’t want to endure the bravado, the trying to play like Tiger Woods, and the swearing, stamping and snapping of golf clubs that ensues. Ladies’ day is their day when they can get away from us.”
At some clubs, the post of club captain – once the preserve of men only – has been scrapped in favour of separate ladies’ and men’s captains. A 70-year-old honorary secretary at one club, who asked not to be named, regretted the change.
“To be club captain is one of the highest honours. These people that come up with the legislation don’t understand the traditions of this place.”
Some clubs have introduced changes with reluctance. Lenzie Golf Club, near Glasgow, announced that “veteran ladies” would now be expected to pay the same as “veteran gents”.
However, Robert Chalmers, the club captain, added: “I hope members will appreciate the changes are to be made as the result of legislation which we must comply with and not of our own initiation.”
A newsletter from Northwood Golf Club in Middlesex worried that “the new law bans the candidacy of a captain only being available to men. There’ll be a few harrumphs about this at the club bar, I am sure.”
The move was voted through with a big majority, but the club is now grappling with the thornier issue of whether it can still allow husband and wife discounts, or whether the average couple will have to pay an extra £200 in fees.
In Northwood’s newsletter, Steve Derbyshire, the club’s general manager, writes that “husband and wife competitions are discriminatory and need to be 'mixed competitions’ in future, taking into account civil partnerships as well as gender reassignment and sexual orientation issues”.
Alison Root, 43, the editor of Women & Golf magazine and a regular player, admitted: “To be honest, a lot of women don’t want change. They play during the week. They don’t care what happens on Saturdays. If you’re happy with your lot, why change?”
Objections to the Act among female golfers surprised Barry Johnston, compiler of the book The Wit of Golf. “I am sure they don’t want to go back to the bad old days,” he said.
“That’s when you heard stories about the ladies sitting on the veranda who were appalled by swearing from so-called gentlemen on the 18th hole. When the ladies complained, the committee took action – by banning ladies from the veranda.”
 
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im sure far reaching generalizations of the female sex is the way towards intelligent discussion
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On February 16 2011 18:43 opsayo wrote:
im sure far reaching generalizations of the female sex is the way towards intelligent discussion
OK , so you don't think men get a raw deal in the family courts with regard to child payments in divorce cases or how often they get to see the children etc? Where is the equality there?
http://townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2009/07/21/family_court_injustices_to_men
Did you know that a family court can order a man to reimburse the government for the welfare money, falsely labeled "child support," that was paid to the mother of a child to whom he is not related? Did you know that, if he doesn't pay, a judge can sentence him to debtor's prison without ever letting him have a jury trial?
Did you know that debtor's prisons (putting men in prison because they can't pay a debt) were abolished in the United States before we abolished slavery, but that they exist today to punish men who are too poor to pay what is falsely called "child support"?
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I don't get how you can go from equality on the golfing course, to equality on military front-lines, and then back to gyms.
For the record, we live in a patriarchal society where women are oppressed and discriminated against... so how about some sympathy?
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Yes, women don't want equality. That's exactly it. Maybe your stupid golf course should just offer 'weekday passes' and 'all-week' passes and appropriate prices or something. Even if the golf courses don't care about having different prices, I don't really understand how you're making the leap from a few dumb women (be sure not to take this to mean all women are dumb, but that the author sought out these women who are dumb) being quoted saying stupid things, to all women are greedy and just want special treatment.
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On February 16 2011 19:01 BasilPesto wrote:
I don't get how you can go from equality on the golfing course, to equality on military front-lines, and then back to gyms.
Those were all examples of the topic....
For the record, we live in a patriarchal society where women are oppressed and discriminated against... so how about some sympathy?
Maybe that was true 50 years ago , the pendulum has swung too far the other way now.
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In just about every country, women, on average, gets paid less than men who work at the same jobs. Many will agree that wealth is the best determinant for success. Despite all of the progress so far, for equality, for equal treatment, women are still less likely to succeed as determined by the metrics of our society--money.
Also, there's a difference between physical, biological disparities between men and women, and equality through the means of legal rights.
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For the record, we live in a patriarchal society where women are oppressed and discriminated against... so how about some sympathy?
sounds like someone is a.... + Show Spoiler +
but in all seriousness, this sort of shit pisses me off.
they dont want equality, they want power. also, what iPlaY.NettleS said.
Maybe that was true 50 years ago , the pendulum has swung too far the other way now.
ive had waaaayyyyy too much of this feminist crap preached onto me, so i have a natural bias against it.
SURE, im for equal pay in jobs, SURE they should be given an opportunity.
NO, im against them working in industry/metalworks/etc if they're pregnant, YES i believe some jobs are "for men" and other jobs are "for women".
a friend of mine said "in the future, the white, straight, male is going to be the lowest and most oppressed of the minority groups" and i have to agree. im all for eqaulity, but everyone needs to know what that is.
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They want equality, have it in most things, but get preferential treatment sometimes for various things, usually because men give it, not because women want it.
That's just life.
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If there would be an equality, why is there 2 totally different and distinct sexes? Answer is, there is no equality. Physiologies, psychologies, social responsibilities of both sexes are much different and these 3 are not the only fields of differences and these differences make both sexes so distinct and different. Thing is, there shouldn't be an equality and both sexes have to be treated differently.
On February 16 2011 19:13 Chef wrote:
Maybe your golf course should just offer 'weekday passes' and 'all-week' passes and appropriate prices or something.
Like this filtered quote says, there are countable infinity number of ways to provide what women want. But, this is only true when women know what they want and express correctly. Women only golf courts? Easy. Courts should be open to both men and women and women will be able to play with men? Easy. Courts should be open to both men and women and women don't want to play with men? Easy as well. Thing is, what they want is so indefinite and indeterminate. If they are sure of what they want and express clearly, it may be done.
But, in this second case, it's different. Women want to play with men in a court that is open for both men and women, but men don't want to play with women? Hold it right there. This is the borderline for women to stop and respect what men think or feel. This time, you should find other men who are not against the idea of playing with women. And, women shouldn't expect men to respect their opinion if they won't respect men's opinion in the first place.
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I read an article about equality in the human race, and I think some of it applies here. I can't find the specific article again, but I believe it was in a Discover magazine (Not googling this subject because I know I will get a mountain of shit).
But at the end of the article, the subject of the article stated that people should not expect that everyone in the human race should be equal, but that they bring different things into the melting pot that is humanity.
That's not referring to, if someone should get more rights than another, it's referring to the physical and mental attributes of the different cultures and genders. Using some examples of stereotypes: Asians are good at math, Black people are good at sports; these aren't negative things, they add to humanity as a whole.
That said I do sometimes think women are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Then again so does everyone else, but in different areas.
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Either:
1) They don't know what they want
2) They stir shit with this "feminism" just to get attention
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Equality, to most people, means "I get all the perks that you do, but you don't get all the perks that I do".
Pure equality is something that people on either side of disparity cannot visualize, because it is tainted by their own desires. It's incredibly difficult to even concieve of pure equality between people, because it's just that unnatural.
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Women and men are not the same. They are very, very different. The feminist movement is a very silly one IMO, they don't even want equality they want superiority.
I don't believe in being a douche to women or mistreating them or forcing them into things they don't want to do, or that they should be in the kitchen or laundry room. But equality is just plain stupid, it's never good for anything.
I also think the feminists QQ too much, I mean I have no doubt they are trolled and made fun of, I've seen the hateful comments around the web and Fat, Ugly, or Slutty website and some of it makes me very sad. But I highly doubt they realize how much of that is the case for EVERYONE in this day and age. People find SOMETHING about you to make fun of, that's just how it is. People are douchebags, not just to women.
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What pisses me off about some women, is that they want equal treatment in some parts, but not in others. For example, they want equal jobs, equal payment, etc, but at a date, you have to hold the door open for them, and you're supposed to pay. Pick one or the other
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On February 16 2011 23:55 Tazza wrote:
What pisses me off about some women, is that they want equal treatment in some parts, but not in others. For example, they want equal jobs, equal payment, etc, but at a date, you have to hold the door open for them, and you're supposed to pay. Pick one or the other
Actually the feminist movement wants men to NOT do that stuff.
Which is equally silly IMO. There should be no expectations of equality.
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The issue should be about areas where there should actually be equality, but I think it spilled over to everything ever at some point.
There is discrimination for no good reason in the world against women, but I suppose that's not the point of this thread since that's all something we agree shouldn't happen.
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Privilege may be blind to those who have it, but some of the replies here are just depressing.
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On February 16 2011 21:02 Fir3fly wrote:
a friend of mine said "in the future, the white, straight, male is going to be the lowest and most oppressed of the minority groups" and i have to agree. im all for eqaulity, but everyone needs to know what that is.
Jesus fucking christ how do you say that out loud without a hint of irony and not want to kill yourself for being such a miserable piece of shit?
Congrats to everyone on this thread for being lucky enough to be blind to your privilege and be able to think that whenever an oppressed group tries to assert its rights that you are somehow being oppressed.
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