EPT[poll] Have you ever considered suicide? - Page 2
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Of course not. In fact I would love to live healthy for at least 200 more years to see what is going to be our technology in the future :/ | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 01 2011 13:16 Enervate wrote: Poll options are a little biased. The "no" option is extreme while the "yes" option is extremely mild. No, I've never thought about, but I don't look down on people who have, or feel differently about them. Yeah I made the bias on purpose  I meant for the thread to be just for fun. I like the discussion happening, I think suicide should be something that should be talked about more openly. Some people feel like they have to keep it to themselves. I think that these are the ones who follow through in the end. Already, I'm a bit surprised at how civil TL is responding, and at the large amount of people saying that they have considered it during a darker time of their life. I understand, that I probably drew more people who have considered suicide to this blog with my title, creating response bias, but I didn't expect this much of a bias. If even 20% of teens contemplate suicide growing up, then it's probably an issue that people don't talk about it and try to get help. | ||
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MisteR
Netherlands595 Posts
On February 01 2011 13:22 Greg_J wrote: This may sound really lame, but I know I could never kill myself while my parents are still alive. I don't see them at all and live 5,000 miles away but I could never put them through the pain of having to deal with my death. They love me and are always so strong and supportive and really proud of me even though I have achieved nothing with my life I just couldn't do it to them. What he said. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
same. It would be selfish imo. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 01 2011 13:22 Greg_J wrote: This may sound really lame, but I know I could never kill myself while my parents are still alive. I don't see them at all and live 5,000 miles away but I could never put them through the pain of having to deal with my death. They love me and are always so strong and surportive and really proud of me even though I have achieved nothing with my life I just couldn't do it to them. at times they are the only things, feelings keeping me alive | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
On February 01 2011 13:06 kaisr wrote: lol voted no but felt bad about calling you a sick fuck Ya I voted the same, but thats no what I was thinking of when I voted. Just take Tylers advice and chill out. Id rather be sad or even miserable than dead. If you only have 1 life to live, I want it to go on as long as possible. Unless your in alot of pain/sick 24/7. But, thats just my take on it. Edit: I read a couple posts and it made me remember: yes it would be a selfish act. Whether you are willing to admit it or not, there are people who would be completely crushed if you killed yourserlf. Just think of them! | ||
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
Mainly this. Thought about it a lot about the past 1-3 years. Just about drove my car off a cliff one night =/ | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
I would never commit suicide at this point in my life because death just seems so boring. I feel like any sort of life, good or bad, would at least be more interesting than being dead. Of course, circumstances like painful terminal illnesses and whatnot could change that perspective. But right now, I'm perfectly content with being alive. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
It is a pretty sad and squalid life when you only live for other people. Sure people might be sad, but that would just be from the shock of it. That would wear off after a short while. The world doesn't stop spinning without you.I think suicide is a personal choice people should be allowed to make without feeling guilty for other people. It should really only be about whether or not they want to continue living, and if those people are worth continuing to live with. People always say to reach out, or talk about how sad it is when people had no idea the person wanted to commit suicide. I think it's a little ridiculous. Most people when confronted with someone emotional say 'I'm really not the right person for this' or 'I'm not good at sympathy.' That's the real response people give. Everyone says in retrospect, "I wish he [or she] had just talked to me!" but in all likelihood he or she probably tried to and felt neglected. Everyone is scared of death. Everyone seeks out all their options before finally committing to it. I imagine, even people who a generally impulsive, don't take that final step until they've wanted to for a long time. I saw the poll and was surprised, but now I realise most of the people who said 'yes' are just talking about a random thought they had about the possibility, not a desire to. The people who said no probably all thought the poll meant a desire. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On February 01 2011 14:07 Chef wrote: People always say it's selfish to commit suicide, but I wonder if they realise it's selfish to make someone live for you too It is a pretty sad and squalid life when you only live for other people. Sure people might be sad, but that would just be from the shock of it. That would wear off after a short while. The world doesn't stop spinning without you.I think suicide is a personal choice people should be allowed to make without feeling guilty for other people. It should really only be about whether or not they want to continue living, and if those people are worth continuing to live with. Yeah, this always bugged me. If I was considering suicide weak arguments like 'don't be selfish' would not help me at all. If all you have as a argument against suicide is 'don't be selfish' you need to think harder about life. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
I don't know, I feel like it's really vain to fantasize how one's death would impact the world. Like when a kid runs away from home and thinks 'they'll be sorry they ever called me potato-head!' In reality it would be like every other death in the family. Sad for a little while, then back to normal. There's a thing people say about how sad it is for your kids to die before you... But I think that is a product of our culture. People used to have 10 kids because only 2-3 would make it to adulthood. Momento mori. It's a false sense of entitlement to think someone has to live. Not that one should be okay with their kids dying, but I think the value we attach to age is a bit arbitrary. Old people are supposed to die, but young people aren't? I guess in our first world of medicine that's become true. | ||
.Aar
2177 Posts
The thing about suicide is, it's a very selfish thing way to cop out. You inconvenience others and terrorize your family/friends. No matter how low of a situation you think yourself to be in, there's always a way to make things better. Always. I was watching an anime called "Welcome to the NHK," and + Show Spoiler + In it, the protagonist ends up getting mixed up in a group of people who go to a deserted island to enjoy their last day alive, as they plan to kill themselves.
All these people are deeply unhappy, and understandably so. They had a vision of what life should be, and the reality didn't fit it. The protagonist didn't want to be a hikikomori; the circumstances (getting expelled from school but unable to face his parents about his failure) led him there. But seconds before they take the fall, Man #1 can't keep the image of his mother out of his head. He can't stop imagining how sad she would be if she found out her only son had killed himself. Because no matter how much you fuck shit up, you still have an intrinsic value as a human being, and someone's son or daughter. Boy #1 feels the same way, but doesn't want to face his parents after stealing so much from them. Man #2 tells him that there's a way out- he knows a good lawyer who could get him the money back. As for Woman #1 and the protagonist, they're fortunate enough to have people in their lives who care about them, no matter what. Fear and grief often gives you hardcore tunnel vision. You might think, I've given this a lot of thought, and this is the best thing to do in my situation, but that's never the case. When you consider suicide, you're thinking only of yourself, of running away and hiding. You're Adam, you've realized you're naked, and you're trying to hide. Advice: Don't try to think too much. That probably sounds terrible, like, "Oh, life actually sucks, but go ahead and run away from your problems." I'm instead referring to that tunnel vision. If you're thinking negatively, all you're going to produce is more negativity. If you start with, "Wow, this is fucking stupid, nobody understands me," you're not going to all of a sudden get struck with a sudden revelation of rainbows and happiness. In that mental state, all you want is confirmation - that you are sad, and that you have a reason to be sad. That said, I have something that's been bugging me for a long time, something I think too much about. I have this idea, of the importance of "understanding." I feel like it's impossible to truly understand anything or anyone, and I feel like that's important. It seems to undermine every relationship I have and every goal I set. It's hard to describe coherently; words like "semantics" and "subjectivity" just rush into my head and all of a sudden I'm left wondering what's the point, why go forward. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? When some of the most important words in your life, like "love," "happiness," and "success" become meaningless? Damn, this post was all over the place. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
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[Eternal]Phoenix
United States333 Posts
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
Have I ever considered suicide? Kinda. I've been really depressed at points in my life, depressed enough that I felt like suicide should be an option that I should consider, but when it comes to the question proper, I rule it out right. Self harm is similar, and I've come alot closer to digging a knife in my arm while I'm alone in the kitchen, in an attempt exorcise suffering, but I realise that really, that's what both self harm and suicide are both about, ending suffering, but in reality both cause more pain, and try as you might, when you end your own life, you don't end the world too, and all those people that knew you will get hurt. Maybe I haven't been depressed enough, but in the words of Stephen fry, there have been plenty of days when I have struggled to imagine a tomorrow. As a post script, I think its really important to talk about suicide on a more regular basis, everyone gets depressed, and young men are especially prone to killing themselves, so while the subject is a taboo, this can't get in the way of serious discussion about it. | ||
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LasTLiE
United States428 Posts
In response to the people saying things like 'it's selfish/what would other people think or do', I wanna say that at least I(won't speak for anyone else), I had already thought about that and decided no one would care. When I was at the point that I was planning how to take my own life, I was pretty well convinced that no one cared about me. I can't say I'm 100% convinced otherwise now, but I can say that at least now I'm not thinking about it every day. | ||
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