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The Evolution of the E-Bay

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Betalump
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 15:50:45
January 31 2011 15:45 GMT
#1
I'm creating this blog now because as a Random player I strongly believe the engineering bay is probably the most underused and under appreciated things in the game. Yes the E-bay is nice for turrets and Bio upgrades, but the E-bay has the potential to play a much larger role in all matchups.

Sensor Towers to mitigate muta harass and overlord scouts. (who needs creep when you have sensor towers?)

Sensor towers used during a terran mech push(along with turrets) vs protoss/terran?

E-Bay range upgrade used to PF rush a zergs natural? (range of PF = spine crawlers with upgrade)

Armor Upgrade used to strengthen barracks wall-offs (artificial walls to create chokes) vs zerg?


As time goes on I'll be sure to update this with interesting and smart ways in which players have used the E-Bay or incorporated it early in their builds.



Sterling
Profile Joined December 2009
United States182 Posts
January 31 2011 15:58 GMT
#2
An ebay is literally the least important building in all 3 matchups. In TvP it's built as late as possible for detection (and if dts arent a threat, ebays are usually skipped until the 3rd base is up. In TvZ it's used only to defend muta harrass. And in TvT its only used for banshee detection (3350 masters)

Sensor towers are nice in theory, but they dont actually stop muta harrass. A few seconds of incoming notice is not worth the 100 gas when your only no 2 bases. Same principle for using them with pushes. Btw, a mech timing push has to be conducted really fast otherwise it usually wont work.

And a PF rush of a Zerg's natural.. really? You cant land a CC on creep. A single Zergling would prevent the PF from landing and you would be spending about 700 minerals 150 gas to kill a 300 mineral hatchery.

The armor upgrade idea is also not so great. Much smarter to invest in a couple siege tanks for an unbreakable defense and they are also military units.
Epsilon8
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#3
I could see this happening in the future as well. The ebay is gotten usually to upgrade MM because they are used so often in all match ups nowadays and turrets is almost always a necessity in TvZ and late TvT.

Sensor towers aren't used as much as I think they should be. Late game the upgrades for PF, turret range and armor isn't that much and could be used especially when the Terrans game revolves around slow pushing the opponent.
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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
January 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#4
there is a super old replay of flash playing sc2 on youtube.. and he pretty much does everything you mention. and even more. like building of wall of ebays to shut out the protoss army from their own base, while they were moving around the map. quite nice game.
Epsilon8
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#5
On February 01 2011 01:08 beg wrote:
there is a super old replay of flash playing sc2 on youtube.. and he pretty much does everything you mention. and even more. like building of wall of ebays to shut out the protoss army from their own base, while they were moving around the map. quite nice game.


Can you link? That sound interesting.
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11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
January 31 2011 16:23 GMT
#6
On February 01 2011 01:08 beg wrote:
there is a super old replay of flash playing sc2 on youtube.. and he pretty much does everything you mention. and even more. like building of wall of ebays to shut out the protoss army from their own base, while they were moving around the map. quite nice game.


iirc flash said in some interview that he hasn't played sc2.
beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
January 31 2011 16:25 GMT
#7
part1

2

3
beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
January 31 2011 16:26 GMT
#8
On February 01 2011 01:23 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2011 01:08 beg wrote:
there is a super old replay of flash playing sc2 on youtube.. and he pretty much does everything you mention. and even more. like building of wall of ebays to shut out the protoss army from their own base, while they were moving around the map. quite nice game.


iirc flash said in some interview that he hasn't played sc2.

maybe it's not the real flash.. no idea. was a quite cool game though.
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
January 31 2011 17:30 GMT
#9
Thought this was about the evolution of eBay.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
January 31 2011 17:50 GMT
#10
I really think the range upgrade is underrated, especially in the late game. The added range can really help to ward off muta harass or pushes against your PF. If it's the late game and you have surplus resources, I can't see a reason not to get the extra range and armor upgrades.

In fact, I think I was quite irritated while watching Jinro vs Socke at MLG on Blistering Sands mainly because Socke's tempar drops could've easily been taken out by Jinro PFs and turrets had he opted for the range upgrade. It was an epic game, but so much could've been saved had that small investment been made into those upgrades.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
January 31 2011 18:39 GMT
#11
The ebay is one of the most important buildings. Upgrades are unbelievable important in Starcraft 2, since as Terran you have so many units (marine/marauder) with INSANE DPS , especially upgraded. 3-3 Marines just demolish lesser upgraded units.
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Epsilon8
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 20:01:07
January 31 2011 20:00 GMT
#12

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 01 2011 01:25 beg wrote:
part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBXVTP58jws
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66H2Fd5tDo&feature=related
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKzRxQ4eY4&feature=related


Thanks, I'm going to watch these when I get home. : )
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Straught
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico157 Posts
January 31 2011 21:38 GMT
#13
Lol I thought you were acttually talking about ebay, not Engineering bay.
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