Creationists - Page 2

On January 20 2011 03:53 Igakusei wrote:
I've recently developed a bad habit of arguing with creationists in Youtube comments.

Although I was raised a young-Earth creationist, I never understood why people thought we were close-minded (I don't believe I was ever close-minded; just ignorant--as soon as I was presented with the counter-points to all the creationist rhetoric I had grown up with, I changed my mind). I felt like evolutionists were the ones that were close-minded, what with their refusal to consider the possibility that a creator could have done things. I never realized that there was powerful evidence and convincing arguments out there that demonstrated how silly young-Earth creationist models are, and exactly how "grasping at straws" most of their defenses are.

Anyway, these you-tubers are absolutely fucking ignorant, and my attempts to have a rational, enlightened, and logical conversation with them are consistently being met with ignorance, misinterpretation, arguments that went out of style in the 19th century, and worst of all, extreme condescension. I got up at 2:30 this morning to let my sick dogs outside, and read a comment that made me so frustrated I couldn't go back to sleep. So now I'm going to be relying on caffeine to get through P-Chem. This is unhealthy; I need to stop, but I just can't stand being talked down to by people who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about, and refuse to believe that they don't know everything.

Help me stop.

You do realize that like 90% of atheists are just as retarded as 90% of young earth creationists right?

Creationists (of any religion) must be the most ignorant people on earth. If you got any knowledge of natural sciences you'd know that you must reject ALL science in order to accept creationism.

On January 20 2011 04:26 419 wrote:


Believe me, I'm grinning quite widely as I read this. Darmousseh, you are a prophet.

(unless the latter post was written with some sense of irony, but I doubt it)

On January 20 2011 04:21 darmousseh wrote:
You do realize that like 90% of atheists are just as retarded as 90% of young earth creationists right?

On January 20 2011 04:21 darmousseh wrote:


You do realize that like 90% of atheists are just as retarded as 90% of young earth creationists right? If you want a logical debate then talk about it somewhere else, youtube chat is like walking into a hipster party and talking about mainstream anything.

The majority of christians (myself included) don't actually believe in young earth creationism and no church I have ever been too has included it in their list of what they believe and have never heard anyone talk about it in any message. The whole modern young earth belief system didn't even arise til much later in christian history. The simplest argument against it is talking about how we can see stars that are billions of light years away and that we are observing an event that happened billions of years ago. They might suggest something like "The speed of light was infinite" (which doesn't fix the problem) or "It's not actually billions of light years away" (which we can prove using physics) or "God makes it appear that way", but then ask why would God falsify history to support his creation? They will never be able to answer that question, no Christian I ever convinced has been able to and shouldn't be able to. Then also talk about the passage about how God carefully prepared his creation for people and the fact that it doesn't matter if God created us in 6 days or 6 billion years since to God, the passage of time is nothing and that the very first chapter of genesis is actually written in a poetic style unlike the rest of geneis and that the word "yom" actually means week, year, age, along with day and that in context, the word ordering is actually more likely to mean an age (or long period of time) rather than literal day. Here's a great pdf explaining the the understanding of the words and that a better translation should be "a second time" instead of "the second day" to fit the way that ancient hebrew is understood. http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/yom_with_number.pdf

Like I said, don't do this on youtube, no one has ever been convinced of anything they read in youtube comments. If you want a good discussion, find a physics major who is a christian (trust me there are plenty). They are more likely to have a good discussion than some random youtuber.

On January 20 2011 04:21 darmousseh wrote:


You do realize that like 90% of atheists are just as retarded as 90% of young earth creationists right? If you want a logical debate then talk about it somewhere else, youtube chat is like walking into a hipster party and talking about mainstream anything.

The majority of christians (myself included) don't actually believe in young earth creationism and no church I have ever been too has included it in their list of what they believe and have never heard anyone talk about it in any message. The whole modern young earth belief system didn't even arise til much later in christian history. The simplest argument against it is talking about how we can see stars that are billions of light years away ....

On January 20 2011 04:34 Igakusei wrote:


In the interest of full disclosure I was raised Seventh-day Adventist, and young-Earth creationism is implicit in their theology. The seventh day of the week is held to be the literal sabbath of the creation week, and it is considered apostasy to change the holy day to Sunday or any other day. As you can see, destroying the creation week destroys one of their fundamental doctrines (it's in the name of the denomination, after all), and so people go to ridiculous lengths to validate their belief in a young Earth. The universe argument is easily dismissed by saying that the "sun moon and stars" section of Genesis 1 and 2 are only referring to our immediate celestial surroundings. Scientific truths that can be accepted with only minor theological adjustments are always welcome; the line is drawn when they cannot be accepted without destroying foundational doctrine.

On January 20 2011 04:32 McDonalds wrote:

Haha, I dunno man. Sounds kind of like you're saying that 90% of computer manuals are just as retarded as 90% of R. L. Stein books.

On January 20 2011 04:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I don't think he necessarily talking about the truth of the groups beliefs (because knowledge equivalent to intelligence anyways), but more about human nature, so idk if that's the best analogy

On January 20 2011 04:34 Igakusei wrote: The seventh day of the week is held to be the literal sabbath of the creation week, and it is considered apostasy to change the holy day to Sunday or any other day.

On January 20 2011 04:46 PetitCrabe wrote:
Go on the Flat Earth Society forum for "intelligent" discussions. It's basically a bunch of pseudo-scientists VS a bunch of pseudo-scientists that believe the Earth is flat. Both sides have a lot of fallacies in their arguments and there are countless threads that go nowhere. Somethings they say on both sides come out from thin air.

I talked to my cousin a long time ago about the forum, and he laughed and said my friends are part of it. I said "WAIT! you have friends that believe the Earth is flat?" and he answered "Of course not, I thought it was well-known that they are a bunch of trolls..."

Honestly, when I was like 10-15 year old and started browsing the internet, I thought it was my duty to argue with everyone I thought were wrong. Now, I know better, it's a waste of time. Everyone on the internet will never change their minds. If you want a serious discussion about anything with someone, it is better to do in private. Arguments on the web are all governed by Godwin's Law anyways.

On January 20 2011 04:05 kerpal wrote:

hey, i made my first ever post in a religion thread (had just started learning BW and had nothing to contribute to the strat discussions, but felt i actually knew something about religion!)

yeah.. they tend to be pretty horrible, before my time, but hilarious when i stumbled on this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52109

On January 20 2011 04:34 Igakusei wrote:


In the interest of full disclosure I was raised Seventh-day Adventist, and young-Earth creationism is implicit in their theology. The seventh day of the week is held to be the literal sabbath of the creation week, and it is considered apostasy to change the holy day to Sunday or any other day. As you can see, destroying the creation week destroys one of their fundamental doctrines (it's in the name of the denomination, after all), and so people go to ridiculous lengths to validate their belief in a young Earth. The universe argument is easily dismissed by saying that the "sun moon and stars" section of Genesis 1 and 2 are only referring to our immediate celestial surroundings. Scientific truths that can be accepted with only minor theological adjustments are always welcome; the line is drawn when they cannot be accepted without destroying foundational doctrine.