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Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
January 20 2011 01:07 GMT
#81
On January 20 2011 09:42 Haemonculus wrote:
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On January 20 2011 09:15 Tony Campolo wrote:
I forgot to add... The quote should more appropriately be applied to Creationists. For those who don't believe in evolution - no proof will suffice. My offer still stands that if any Creationists would like an e-book copy of Dawkins' Greatest Show on Earth (his latest book on evolution) feel free to PM me your e-mail address. In my experience though, Christians will rarely read anything on science that is not written by a Christian author (who usually has no scientific background). The same applies for when trying to argue against other religions - they are quick to state that they know what other religions (such as Buddhism or Islam) believe and why they're wrong, all whilst never having read a single book by their adherents' authors - instead prefering to rely on the word of Christian authors writing on such topics.

I'm torn on Dawkins.

I agree with a lot of what he says, but I detest the way he says it. He just comes off as an asshole most of the time. Not much better than some of the crazy religious folks who insult atheists and such.


Try "why evolution is true" by Jerry Coyne and "your inner fish" by Neil Shubin. They're both highly entertaining, informative, and way less condescending than Dawkins can be.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 20 2011 01:28 GMT
#82
On January 20 2011 05:30 Igakusei wrote:
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On January 20 2011 05:19 Chef wrote:
In general, people have a defense mechanism to defend their belief system (atheists are human too) without considering the rationality of their arguments. Being objective is not a natural thing for human beings.

Is it okay for me to think it's ironic when someone trying to paint themselves as insightful starts using Freudian psychology? Even getting beyond this 'defence mechanism' silliness, even just using the word 'natural' like that is offensive. What do you know about what's 'natural' for human beings? Perhaps, maybe, some people just don't want to believe random crap they're told over the internet, regardless of how much proof either side claims to have (but of course can't call upon due to the limitations of online debate).

There are some topics which can be argued legitimately over the internet. There are many which cannot. When you take a really broad, general topic like 'SCIENCE' or 'RELIGION' you invite yourself to an argument which cannot end. I mean, think about if you wrote an essay on 'SCIENCE' or 'RELIGION.' It'd be about 50 million pages long. That's why you're supposed to narrow down your thesis to something that is specific enough for you to do it justice within the constraints of your medium.


I'm curious, as my formal education is psychology is extremely lacking. I started taking an intro-to-psych course back in 2002, but dropped out for unrelated reasons. I do remember Freud still being a significant portion of the course, though. What is your opinion on him, and why is anyone who ascribes to his view of psychology automatically silly and un-insightful? Isn't his career still considered the beginning of modern psychology?

They teach Freud in intros to psych courses in terms of the history of psychology, not how psychology is practiced today. Freud is respected because he gave a lot of points with which people could jump off from and do serious studies, but he was also well before scientific method was applied to psychology, and is therefore not someone you should use when speaking in an objective sense. Theories like phallic-jealousy in women, and wanting to have sex with your mother when you're a baby aren't very well supported by modern psychology, I'm afraid. Partly because they're incredibly difficult to test, and partly because they're a lot of non-sense. Freud had some good ideas too, surely, but the defence mechanisms he laid out are more or less pseudo-science.

So yes, it's a bit ironic.
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