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Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 02 2011 05:31 GMT
#1
After much research and tinkering around, I think I've finally found the new build order that I've been trying to put together for Terran vs Terran. It came to me just a few days ago and I've only had the chance to test it with a couple people. I am going to log into the Public Test and try it out on there. Hooray! THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED! It is done. I did it. I made a new TvT build order that looks to side-step tank viking and is quite unorthodoxy and unique.

I am interested in finding some one on here that has a strong Terran vs Terran match-up to help me smooth out my build order and work the kinks out in a slow, methodical way like Day9. I need some one to have patience and understanding to work with me on it. A lot of it might seem like theory-crafting, but I'd like to get the theoretical optimum down first, then work on the kinks and bumps.

Server: US
TL ID: Fealorin
B.net: Fealorin.945
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1040448/1/Fealorin/

I am a 1200pt 1v1 Diamond Player.

Here it is a replay of what I have in mind:
http://www.theuen.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=204

Thanks for anyone who is willing to help me.



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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 02 2011 05:52 GMT
#2
replay doesnt work
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 02 2011 07:24 GMT
#3
Sorry, I'll see what I can do to fix this. I'll have the replay up and working soon.

As a low down, it goes something like:

10 supply
11 gas
13 rax
16 factory
16 orbital
16 marine
17 supply
2nd gas at 50% progress on factory
starport right after factory
fusion core after starport
techlab after star port
battle cruiser immediately
all the while not supply blocking and building constant scvs and building marines when you can without slowing down your tech/progress

battle cruiser comes out at 7:30

while first cruiser is building, start expansion CC
get a 2nd battle cruiser? or vikings? or ravens? ( don't know which to get yet)

so mid game will have mass marines, 1-2 cruisers, a few ravens and mass vikings

This is the idea atleast.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 02 2011 09:34 GMT
#4
i cant take this seriosuly...
u trollin? :<
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 02 2011 11:51 GMT
#5
No, I'm not trolling. I am serious about this. So far I might have a better, more viable option at hand.
The above build can stop a MM push and possibly a marine tank push. It will require some perfect execution/micro to hold tho. The use of the cruisers

I have yet to try this other build but I used SCBO to do some crunching and this is what I got:

10 Supply Depot
11 Refinery
13 Move SCV To Gas
13 Move SCV To Gas
13 Move SCV To Gas
14 Barracks (Naked)
17 Orbital Command
17 Supply Depot
17 Barracks Reactor
17 Refinery
18 Factory (Naked)
18 Move SCV To Gas
18 Marine
20 Marine
21 Move SCV To Gas
22 Marine
23 Move SCV To Gas
23 Calldown MULE
25 Supply Depot
25 Starport (Naked)
25 Marine
28 Starport Tech Lab
28 Supply Depot
28 Marine
30 Calldown MULE
30 Marine
32 Marine
33 Marine
34 Raven
36 Fusion Core
37 Supply Depot
37 Marine
38 Move SCV To Minerals
38 Barracks (Naked)
39 Marine
40 Calldown MULE
40 Command Center
41 Marine
42 Supply Depot
43 Battle Cruiser
49 Move SCV To Gas
50 Marine
51 Marine
52 Move SCV To Gas
52 Marine
54 Marine
55 Refinery
55 Marine
56 Marine
58 Calldown MULE
60 Marine
61 Marine
62 Move SCV To Gas
62 Move SCV To Gas
62 Marine

Waypoint 1 satisfied:
8:47.90: 737M 380G 21E 65/ 70S
Income: 1290M 329G
Buildings: 1 Command Center 3 Refinery 2 Barracks 1 Orbital Command 1 Factory 1 Starport 1 Fusion Core 1 Reactor 1 Tech Lab
Units: 35 SCV 20 Marine 1 Raven 1 Battle Cruiser
Research:

On another note:
KawaiiRice, I love your Morrow style play with 1 rax FE into mass marines and push early along with a handful of scvs to block/tank. I actually took your build and combined it with another person's build to form a hybrid FE build for Terran vs Protoss and Terran vs Zerg. I've used it on ladder to great success. I could give you the BO some time, quite powerful and potent if you ask me.
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