I recently made the switch in SC2 from Protoss to Zerg. First off, I'm absolutely loving it. Zerg just has this feel that...well..feels SO DAMN RIGHT. It's definitely made SC2 so much more enjoyable for me (it was already quite enjoyable too!).

Anyways, I've only played like 5 ZvZ's total but I'm loooovvvinggg it. I personally feel that ZvZ is one of the most interesting match ups at the moment, if not THE most interesting. So, what do you feel is your favorite MU in SC2? Did it change from BW to SC2?

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

November 09 2010 04:51 GMT

agreed. Saddens me to see all this 13pool baneling garbage on ladder (especially the so called pros)

Gogleion

United States534 Posts

November 09 2010 04:52 GMT

I remember when I first started playing the beta I really felt the same way about ZvZ. There are a lot of nonstandard variations that you can do in zvz that are viable at the sub-pro levels that are really fun to try.

I like ZvT right now though. Banelings blowing up marines :D

Mortician

Bulgaria2332 Posts

November 09 2010 04:58 GMT

What BO are you using that you skip the inialtial ling/baneling gay ness?

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

November 09 2010 05:01 GMT

What sort of opening do you do? When I first started, I went ling/baneling and was like "man this is stupid." Since then I've been opening roach every game and I'm still like "man this is stupid" but I love the matchup so much. If banelings don't decimate my mineral line, it usually turns into an unpredictable 20 minute game where literally any zerg unit can show up at any time

-Frog-

United States514 Posts

November 09 2010 05:07 GMT

I like it as well. It's incredibly micro intensive and action packed which is tons of fun to play.

sooch

Canada299 Posts

November 09 2010 05:12 GMT

ZvZ is so deep, I'm just waiting for someone to revolutionize the MU so I can be confident with my build for once.

Foreplay

United States1154 Posts

November 09 2010 05:14 GMT

i hate it because i have the worst luck ever. Every time i do an econ oriented opening they 6 pool and every time i play safe they do a better eco build. I can't win.

Angra

United States2652 Posts

November 09 2010 05:15 GMT

TvP was my favorite matchup in BW, but now that you aren't allowed to use anything besides MMM without instantly dying, I guess TvZ is my favorite in SC2.

forgotten0ne

United States951 Posts

November 09 2010 05:21 GMT

#10

On November 09 2010 14:14 Foreplay wrote:
i hate it because i have the worst luck ever. Every time i do an econ oriented opening they 6 pool and every time i play safe they do a better eco build. I can't win.

9 scout, and stop pumping drones at 13 until you scout them.

sqwert

United States781 Posts

November 09 2010 06:18 GMT

#11

too bad sc2 zvz isnt as fun sc1 zvz. i miss muta micro and ling micro and the times when a few micro-ed mutas would beat a bunch of hydras

voss

Australia146 Posts

November 09 2010 06:33 GMT

#12

Once the baneling beginnings get worked out (read: become weak) this MU will be really good. There's so much potential for variation, and infestors play a very important role.

Yukidasu

Australia125 Posts

November 09 2010 11:49 GMT

#13

As a micro based random player, I love it. Depending on the map you can do heaps of crazy stuff, but making it safe is an artform.

Boblion

France8043 Posts

November 09 2010 14:30 GMT

#14

I have played PvZ, PvP, PvT, TvP, TvT and TvZ

The most enjoyable match ups for me are PvZ, TvZ, and TvT
PvP could be good but sadly it is ruined by the all colossus late game.
TvP / PvT is so messed up that it is not fun to play.

Also i completly agree with the OP even if i don't play zerg, i have really enjoyed all the ZvZ during the GSL and it seems like a fun match ups to play.

Kenny

United States678 Posts

November 09 2010 18:43 GMT

#15

I generally go for early econ ---> to roach with speed+burrow. I then generally move into infestors b/c infestors with burrow+ infested terran in their mineral lines = win.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

November 09 2010 18:46 GMT

#16

On November 09 2010 15:18 sqwert wrote:
too bad sc2 zvz isnt as fun sc1 zvz. i miss muta micro and ling micro and the times when a few micro-ed mutas would beat a bunch of hydras

Yeah, I really miss the muta/scourge stuff.

One of the biggest problems I have with SC2 ZvZ is how it's almost impossible to hold the ramp with lings against lings. The units are too "slippery" and they just slide through. Even with a small ramp the size of the lings seem so tiny now compared to BW where you could cover a small ramp with like 6 lings.

Slayer91

Ireland23466 Posts

November 09 2010 19:39 GMT

#17

On November 09 2010 13:58 Mortician wrote:
What BO are you using that you skip the inialtial ling/baneling gay ness?

Any decent roach opening with sim city of evo chamber roach warren spawning pool and possible crawler so theres no easy acess to the mineral line.