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Normally don't whine about this sort of stuff. It's one thing to say "We would like you to discuss this in a single thread." I don't think TeamLiquid would disagree with that. It's another to actively delete all references to an issue and pretend it never happened. That's what Blizzard is doing right now with the MLG downtime.
The above prompted me to ask this question:
Every thread on the Battle.net forums either referring to Battle.net's Sunday-afternoon instability or MLG's issues are being deleted outright. I can't find a single MLG discussion thread dedicated to the Dallas event on the first several pages of either General or Multiplayer Discussion.
Is it really too crazy for me to ask that Blizzard should just admit they goofed instead of deleting every reference and hoping this doesn't blow up within the Starcraft community?
  
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Blizzard deleted the thread that you linked to this in.
PS I'm Saturn in that.
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United States4796 Posts
This is painful to see. I wish they wouldn't censor....
I hope they don't ask TL to censor.
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Spam threads faster than they can lock > : D
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Come on man, don't feed the fire. Yes, Blizz is cleaning up the trash threads like you said. Look a little closer, there is an MLG feedback thread in multiplayer/esports.
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On November 08 2010 10:38 elmizzt wrote:
Come on man, don't feed the fire. Yes, Blizz is cleaning up the trash threads like you said. Look a little closer, there is an MLG feedback thread in multiplayer/esports.
There is? Can't find one.
I can't say I don't understand though, the moderators there are probably so used to cleaning up trash threads that they got overzealous. There's not usually much of worth over there.
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On November 08 2010 10:30 infringement153 wrote:
Blizzard deleted the thread that you linked to this in.
PS I'm Saturn in that.
Yeah, I got a kick out of that. Probably got to that thread from my link.
On November 08 2010 10:38 elmizzt wrote:
Come on man, don't feed the fire. Yes, Blizz is cleaning up the trash threads like you said. Look a little closer, there is an MLG feedback thread in multiplayer/esports.
I not only had to search for it, but it happened to be the discussion thread with the most benign take on the incident. It happens to be a "LAN Lag: MLG" thread that someone must have bumped. The first post in that thread was October the 18th.
On November 08 2010 10:42 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:38 elmizzt wrote:
Come on man, don't feed the fire. Yes, Blizz is cleaning up the trash threads like you said. Look a little closer, there is an MLG feedback thread in multiplayer/esports. There is? Can't find one. I can't say I don't understand though, the moderators there are probably so used to cleaning up trash threads that they got overzealous. There's not usually much of worth over there.
There were plenty of good threads on the topic. It got completely aggravating because threads were being wiped faster than I could post in them. And that's saying something.
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lol blizzard is just terrible. they clearly havent improved at all in customer service since wc3
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looks like its just some preemptive damage control, since their PR office is gonna explode. I actually kinda feel bad for the staff who have to deal with this when they go into work tomorrow morning
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wait the MLG finals were postponed because bnet is down? has the finals match taken place yet?
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On November 08 2010 10:32 DivinO wrote:
This is painful to see. I wish they wouldn't censor....
I hope they don't ask TL to censor.
They dont have such power to do so.
Bnet forums have only one purporse for me: ask for tech support help.
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If something goes wrong, just pretend like it didn't happen...blizzard of old...where are you...
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I've been refreshing a whole bunch and not only have there been no new MLG threads, there have been no new threads period.
Maybe it's just an anomaly though, but why aren't more people posting? It's not like they can ban you for it.
edit: hey, there's a three-page thread... in technical support. lol
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There's been problems with bnet at every single event in the US now. It's time they did more than delete threads and act like no lan is still a good idea
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What the fuck Blizzard...
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They could at least post a sticky saying 'hey guys don't post about it here go to that thread down in technical support for no real reason'.
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who even cares about battle.net forums? i think its fine to have those for tech support if anything is wrong that requires contact to blizzard. But posting random trash talk like "as you could see on the example of mgl, lan mode is certainly required" is just pointless anyways. Do you seriously believe they don't know the downtimes and don't notice what goes on due to these downtimes? I don't think they need thousands of posts on the forums stating to them what they know anyways. So its just pointless to post stuff like that there.
And obviously, once a thread of yours gets closed, they will only close your further threads from you on the same topic over and over. Any forum moderation would do that, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to close your first thread. That has not even to do anything with the topic that is addressed. You keep opening threads about the same topic, so they keep deleting it because they decided the first time they don't want it. Repeated thread deletion is not censorship but completely normal moderating. So please all of you just stop flaming blizzard for something everybody does, just because it's a big company behind it and not a non profit community thing or something.
Please don't get me wrong though, its fine to voice your concerns. Just over-exaggerating the voicing part is plenty stupid and you should stop it. You have voiced it, they have noticed and deleted. So firstly, they know now. And secondly, well, yeah, they maybe ignore you. They are allowed to do that.
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On November 08 2010 10:49 Redmark wrote:
I've been refreshing a whole bunch and not only have there been no new MLG threads, there have been no new threads period.
Maybe it's just an anomaly though, but why aren't more people posting? It's not like they can ban you for it.
edit: hey, there's a three-page thread... in technical support. lol
I'm not going to post on those forums right now. I like having that forum as a conduit. Why risk saying anything when the mods haven't taken their meds?
On November 08 2010 10:55 MisterD wrote:
who even cares about battle.net forums? i think its fine to have those for tech support if anything is wrong that requires contact to blizzard. But posting random trash talk like "as you could see on the example of mgl, lan mode is certainly required" is just pointless anyways. Do you seriously believe they don't know the downtimes and don't notice what goes on due to these downtimes? I don't think they need thousands of posts on the forums stating to them what they know anyways. So its just pointless to post stuff like that there.
And obviously, once a thread of yours gets closed, they will only close your further threads from you on the same topic over and over. Any forum moderation would do that, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to close your first thread. That has not even to do anything with the topic that is addressed. You keep opening threads about the same topic, so they keep deleting it because they decided the first time they don't want it. Repeated thread deletion is not censorship but completely normal moderating. So please all of you just stop flaming blizzard for something everybody does, just because it's a big company behind it and not a non profit community thing or something.
Please don't get me wrong though, its fine to voice your concerns. Just over-exaggerating the voicing part is plenty stupid and you should stop it. You have voiced it, they have noticed and deleted. So firstly, they know now. And secondly, well, yeah, they maybe ignore you. They are allowed to do that.
There's a difference between "we're aware of the problems, please direct all traffic to this particular topic and please remain civil" and "we don't need this incident harming consumer perception of the company so WITH YOUR POWERS COMBINED, I AM CAPTAIN DELETE BUTTON". Blizzard doesn't want this incident making headway. This company insisted to the universe that the lack of LAN functionality wasn't going to infringe on the most critical export of LAN, the tournament scene.
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The true tragedy its the guy saying how it's weird that he got to "mid-high level diamond" but couldn't find the thread, like getting to mid-high diamond was some fantastic achievement everyone on the forum would just jaw drop at.
"omg did you hear about that guy who couldn't find the mlg thread"
"yeah what is surprising is I heard he was actually mid diamond... I guess they are mortal"
"actually he was mid-high"
"... is nothing sacred?!"
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On November 08 2010 11:04 NevilleS wrote:
The true tragedy its the guy saying how it's weird that he got to "mid-high level diamond" but couldn't find the thread, like getting to mid-high diamond was some fantastic achievement everyone on the forum would just jaw drop at.
"omg did you hear about that guy who couldn't find the mlg thread"
"yeah what is surprising is I heard he was actually mid diamond... I guess they are mortal"
"actually he was mid-high"
"... is nothing sacred?!"
You're not very good at humor, are you? 
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On November 08 2010 11:04 NevilleS wrote:
The true tragedy its the guy saying how it's weird that he got to "mid-high level diamond" but couldn't find the thread, like getting to mid-high diamond was some fantastic achievement everyone on the forum would just jaw drop at.
"omg did you hear about that guy who couldn't find the mlg thread"
"yeah what is surprising is I heard he was actually mid diamond... I guess they are mortal"
"actually he was mid-high"
"... is nothing sacred?!"
That was me. And thanks for missing the point of a clearly-self-deprecating post.
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Indeed even if Blizzard gains a lot of information on the incident, deletion of all threads detailing it still limits the exposure of the incident to other forum readers who may not have been aware of it previously. One purpose of forums is to exchange information; actively inhibiting that makes forums ineffective in that respect.
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On November 08 2010 11:05 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 11:04 NevilleS wrote:
The true tragedy its the guy saying how it's weird that he got to "mid-high level diamond" but couldn't find the thread, like getting to mid-high diamond was some fantastic achievement everyone on the forum would just jaw drop at.
"omg did you hear about that guy who couldn't find the mlg thread"
"yeah what is surprising is I heard he was actually mid diamond... I guess they are mortal"
"actually he was mid-high"
"... is nothing sacred?!" You're not very good at humor, are you?
I thought it was a good joke. I lolled IRL.
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If I were blizzard, I'd delete them.
It's not like the threads are actually going to have content. Blizzard already knows that they made a mistake and they'll do everything they can to avoid server failures in the future; there is no need to remind them.
IMO blizzard has already made up their mind about forcing tournaments to go over bnet so...
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On November 08 2010 11:06 MichaelJLowell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 11:04 NevilleS wrote:
The true tragedy its the guy saying how it's weird that he got to "mid-high level diamond" but couldn't find the thread, like getting to mid-high diamond was some fantastic achievement everyone on the forum would just jaw drop at.
"omg did you hear about that guy who couldn't find the mlg thread"
"yeah what is surprising is I heard he was actually mid diamond... I guess they are mortal"
"actually he was mid-high"
"... is nothing sacred?!" That was me. And thanks for missing the point of a clearly-self-deprecating post.
I didn't miss the self deprecation. You were trying to say "my bad, I can play starcraft well but can't read a website, lol". The tragic part was the "mid-high" qualification. I don't think that was for comic effect, because it would detract from the "good but stupid" comparison you were trying to make. No, it was genuinely put in there because you didn't think "diamond" was strong enough, surely there are diamond players who are legitimately dumb enough to not find a thread on the main page (probably those low-high diamond or even the vastly inferior somewhat-high-medium diamond guys, those kids are garbage).
But this guy is mid-high. You have no excuse.
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On November 08 2010 11:16 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
If I were blizzard, I'd delete them.
It's not like the threads are actually going to have content. Blizzard already knows that they made a mistake and they'll do everything they can to avoid server failures in the future; there is no need to remind them.
IMO blizzard has already made up their mind about forcing tournaments to go over bnet so...
"Server failures" has become a recurring theme. I don't think anybody can put it out of the realm of possibility that there's some DDoS going on here. This is the second major tournament (the other was a European tournament, if I remember correctly) that had server connectivity issues.
On November 08 2010 11:20 Redmark wrote:http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/981679149 (OP has posted in this one). I'd be kind of surprised if they keep deleting threads tbh. It's not something they can really get away with in this day and age.
Blizzard usually gives up eventually. It really comes down to whether people are willing to risk getting banned in the process. The servers apparently went wonky and my account was unbanned, so I'm not taking any chances for the time being.
On November 08 2010 11:23 NevilleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 11:06 MichaelJLowell wrote:On November 08 2010 11:04 NevilleS wrote:
The true tragedy its the guy saying how it's weird that he got to "mid-high level diamond" but couldn't find the thread, like getting to mid-high diamond was some fantastic achievement everyone on the forum would just jaw drop at.
"omg did you hear about that guy who couldn't find the mlg thread"
"yeah what is surprising is I heard he was actually mid diamond... I guess they are mortal"
"actually he was mid-high"
"... is nothing sacred?!" That was me. And thanks for missing the point of a clearly-self-deprecating post. I didn't miss the self deprecation. You were trying to say "my bad, I can play starcraft well but can't read a website, lol". The tragic part was the "mid-high" qualification. I don't think that was for comic effect, because it would detract from the "good but stupid" comparison you were trying to make. No, it was genuinely put in there because you didn't think "diamond" was strong enough, surely there are diamond players who are legitimately dumb enough to not find a thread on the main page (probably those low-high diamond or even the vastly inferior somewhat-high-medium diamond guys, those kids are garbage). But this guy is mid-high. You have no excuse.
Or maybe I was looking to gauge my own skills and decided mid-level Diamond would understate them. But good try! :D
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Oh god. Blizzard has locked literally the very last thread on this.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/981609056
"Please post your concerns about LAN play in the 'eSports and Multiplayer' forum.
But you've deleted all the threads there.
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It's incredibly lucky that there have not been more problems in MLG or GSL.
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GSL is more sacred. Less likely to be under DDoS attacks
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This is hilarious and identical to the deleting of threads EA did when they shit the bed on their EASHL patches and got rightfully hammered for it. awesome that this is the future of the consumer-publisher relationship in gaming.
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I wonder why Blizzard feels so threatened by MLG...
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i see no good reason for the no lan support, the only reasonable explanation is profit(pirating, which already exists for single player, even though it is unnecessary).
sc1 had lan support, required cdkey for online play and it was a huge success, leading to what blizzard is today(wow has bigger impact, i know).
there's absolutely no reason why sc2 can't have lan. single player can be played without logging in (as long as it has been connect to b.net before). same could be applied to LAN. its really sad to see they're doing this for every possible penny. region lock makes sense...this does not.
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