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On November 01 2010 03:04 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 02:55 Grettin wrote:
hahaha, those games sure were such a all-ins and cheeses. get a grip. zenio himself called em allins. whatshisface that protoss dude also said one of his builds was an allin, and the other depended on not being scouted yeeaah sure sounds like straight up macro skillbased games to me bro
ZvZ is always one basing shit.
The only play in the season 1 games what you can somewhat call ALL IN was that proxy stargate, and even that was just a counter to idra's build.
yeaah, sure sounds like you know something about this game bro.
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On November 01 2010 03:08 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:04 TheAntZ wrote:On November 01 2010 02:55 Grettin wrote:
hahaha, those games sure were such a all-ins and cheeses. get a grip. zenio himself called em allins. whatshisface that protoss dude also said one of his builds was an allin, and the other depended on not being scouted yeeaah sure sounds like straight up macro skillbased games to me bro ZvZ is always one basing shit. The only play in the season 1 games what you can somewhat call ALL IN was that proxy stargate, and even that was just a counter to idra's build. yeaah, sure sounds like you know something about this game bro.
zenio called his builds all-in HIMSELF. so are you saying hes wrong?
Q: How do you feel about beating IdrA?
A: I think it’s very hard to win ZvZ with standard strategies. So I choose all-in and it works. So glad I won.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164854
and you dont have to know much about sc2 to know that the protoss needed that base to stay secret to win.
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ZvZ is match-up where you really cant say are you that kind of a player who can stop almost any cheese or all-in.
And this pretty much sums it up:
A: I think it’s very hard to win ZvZ with standard strategies.
So ling+banelings with one base ain't "all-in" then?
And about the protoss game. Okay, he won because of secret base. So tell me, is there something cheesy in it? That was purely straight up macro game.
So, did Idra still lose all of his games coz of cheese, did he?
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I never said he lost all his games because of it. I said he sucks against it. Which is pretty much true, even if he is better then a lot of other players at defending it, it is the weak point of his game, you cant deny that. And yeah i think its pretty cheesy to rely on your opponent not scouting to win. Its not like 'oh well he woulda been fine if the expansion was scouted it just woulda been harder to win'
you must agree that if idra had scouted that expansion he woulda won 100%. Thats a coin flip to me and not really solid play.
So ling+banelings with one base ain't "all-in" then?
I dont know what is or isnt allin in zvz since I dont play it often, I was simply basing it off the fact that everyone in the LR thread said he all-ined and zenio himself said he all-ined
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Not scouting enemy's hidden expo, so cheesy.
Sure yo, sure.
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On November 01 2010 03:43 Grettin wrote:
Not scouting enemy's hidden expo, so cheesy.
Sure yo, sure.
relying on your opponent not scouting to win the game. Pretty cheesy.
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Thanks for the translations. Did not expect so much hate. Still probably a bit much ado about nothing.
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On November 01 2010 03:46 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:43 Grettin wrote:
Not scouting enemy's hidden expo, so cheesy.
Sure yo, sure. relying on your opponent not scouting to win the game. Pretty cheesy.
Nope. He took a shot and Idra failed at scouting. It's not cheesy, it's just how the game was played out.
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On November 01 2010 04:41 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:46 TheAntZ wrote:On November 01 2010 03:43 Grettin wrote:
Not scouting enemy's hidden expo, so cheesy.
Sure yo, sure. relying on your opponent not scouting to win the game. Pretty cheesy. Nope. He took a shot and Idra failed at scouting. It's not cheesy, it's just how the game was played out.
I BBS in broodwar. My opponent fails at scouting. BBS isn't cheese; it's just how the game is played out. -_-"
I 6 pool. My opponent fails at scouting. 6pool isn't cheese; it's just how the game is played out. -_-"
I Proxy 2gate. My opponnent fails at scouting. Proxy 2gate isn't cheese; it's just how the game is played out. -_-"
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Oh shit lolololols they be hating on IdrA. This sort of hate is actually pretty rare, even if the insults are the same.
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On November 01 2010 04:41 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:46 TheAntZ wrote:On November 01 2010 03:43 Grettin wrote:
Not scouting enemy's hidden expo, so cheesy.
Sure yo, sure. relying on your opponent not scouting to win the game. Pretty cheesy. Nope. He took a shot and Idra failed at scouting. It's not cheesy, it's just how the game was played out.
That's the definition of cheese. Easy to stop if scouted. Nearly impossible if not.
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omg those hidden 4th base at 12 minute cheese builds ruining my day!!! imba toss 4-basing without my knowledge. lotze, davit, fucking kimchi mannnn
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IdrA BM still getting everyone's panties up in a bunch, all is right with the world. I was worried he was starting to manner up (seriously).
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On November 01 2010 08:02 Entropic wrote:
IdrA BM still getting everyone's panties up in a bunch, all is right with the world. I was worried he was starting to manner up (seriously).
you're a retard with no clue
(seriously)
User was warned for this post
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Something people should bring up more as well As the Free comment: That he actually thought Battle Royale would be heavily T favoured and no Z's would ever get sent out there.
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Oh and it still makes me laugh that people claim players don't show any emotion so it's good IdrA talks a lot of shit and BMs. Have you even seen the guy play a game? He's an awkward nerd with zero charisma who just shit talks behind a keyboard. Calling people fags and saying how bad they are is not showing personality or anything cool at all, it's being a dick. It's not like hes even funny, he literally is just an angry dickhead who can't stand losing even when it's his own fault.
And yet more IdrA supporters who signed up in 2010 whining about how its good theres people like him. No. People like Mondragon who are nice guys, will have reasonable discussions about the game and have some actual social skill are good representatives for us (and he's known in Korea). Even Nony who's known to be BM is a far far better representative. You must be seriously immature if you think it's good we have our main foreign player as a whiny baby who cries after every loss and is rude to even the biggest most successful players. He once called 3 time OSL winner July a fag after losing to him on ICCUP. And you think this is a good thing? There's plenty of korean gamers with good personalities, watch an OSL/MSL selection ceremony sometime. Some are shy nerds because they are just kids.
On October 30 2010 13:57 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous)
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He wasn't good enough to be on any A-Team, that's why he lost in both Dream league matches he played and lost every OSL/MSL qualification match except in the last one. CJ isn't deep enough that he couldn't even make a Dream League spot consistently. Nothing indicates he was legitimately good enough at all and i think you could make a pretty strong argument that he is infact lacking in natural talent at SC compared to someone like Nony, who won TSL2 fairly easily after a long break. IdrA was still only winning about 60% of games against Ret, despite playing 12 hours a day in a T favoured matchup. I can't say i ever saw a genuinely impressive BW IdrA game. All i saw was almost 100% standard macro builds against inferior foreign players who played less and therefore had less mechanically ability. It's just unfortunate we didn't have time to get some kids out in Korea with real natural talent like Kolll or Morrow, or intelligent players like F91.
Now he's got a headstart in SC2 everyone seems to assume he's now actually a good player, yet he still suffers from the exact same faults. I wouldn't be surprised about a RO64 exit next tournament depending on the brackets then eventually a non-qualification as players with skill other than mechanics take over.
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Keep it civil everyone alright. No need to insult people.
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On November 01 2010 08:51 infinity2k9 wrote:
Oh and it still makes me laugh that people claim players don't show any emotion so it's good IdrA talks a lot of shit and BMs. Have you even seen the guy play a game? He's an awkward nerd with zero charisma who just shit talks behind a keyboard. Calling people fags and saying how bad they are is not showing personality or anything cool at all, it's being a dick. It's not like hes even funny, he literally is just an angry dickhead who can't stand losing even when it's his own fault.
And yet more IdrA supporters who signed up in 2010 whining about how its good theres people like him. No. People like Mondragon who are nice guys, will have reasonable discussions about the game and have some actual social skill are good representatives for us (and he's known in Korea). Even Nony who's known to be BM is a far far better representative. You must be seriously immature if you think it's good we have our main foreign player as a whiny baby who cries after every loss and is rude to even the biggest most successful players. He once called 3 time OSL winner July a fag after losing to him on ICCUP. And you think this is a good thing? There's plenty of korean gamers with good personalities, watch an OSL/MSL selection ceremony sometime. Some are shy nerds because they are just kids.
United kingdom speaking.
(Clueless, know-it-all thinking, having no actual idea whats happening in the world, trying to sound clever and thinking of arguments that are out dated and incorrect, etc. )
Now I do not want to get warned again, so let me elaborate.
Where is he an awkward nerd with zero charisma? Have you ever actually heard him anywhere? Some of artosis's interviews, his casting on GSL, state of the game podcast, anything will prove that opinion to be very wrong.
Also, he does not just shit talk behind a keyboard. Yes, he shit talks, but why the hell do you think it's just behind a keyboard? You are just trying to make him sound more wrong than he actually is to strenghten your argument that you yourself know is incorrect.
I agree that saying bad people that are bad isn't cool, and I highly doubt he thinks so as well.
He just does it, because he feels like the player is just driving on some imbalance and knowing that he will disappear soon, he actually acts honest and tells him his truth in his face. Now is that wrong? No. Well maybe in UK it is, but definetly not in the world, let alone the internet.
Besides, we need a bad guy, like every society. TLO, incontrol, nony all can act as the figures to look up to when we're trying to make the scene bigger etc., and idra is the villain that all people can hate and bash on to look cool. He's needed for that.
To your argument of him not being funny, that's pure personal preference, even though you are spitting it out of your fingers(lulz) like it was a fact that everyone has to follow. Let people have their own opinions', rather than riding on a hate bandwagon.
Same thing again, even though mondragon disappeared, there will be people to look up to and people to hate. He's the guy to hate, but he's a lot more deep than that. First meet him in person, then try to ground your arguments with something.
Now. Where the fuck is idra acting like a whiny baby. Where the FUCK is he acting like a whiny baby. Need I repeat again? WHERE the FUCK is idra acting like a WHINY BABY. You don't seem to even have an idea about what he has been through, he endured 2 years in korea in a team where everyone treats him as an outsider, where he doesn't have anyone (expect the occasional artosis or tasteless) to talk to, where he has to work like a monster every day with almost no holidays with no major successes. (im talking bw) You don't ever seem to think about anything from his perspective, you just think of something new and cool to say that would bash him and say it. Idra may be bad mannered, and may be a dick(honest dick), but he is definetly not a shy nerd who think's he's cool.
That is you, sir infinity2k9, you are the one hiding behind a keyboard, spouting nonsense on the internet because hell, you can, and it's cool to ride on a bandwagon, right?
Also, that osl/msl/pl comparison is ridiculous.
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Another guy who signed up in 2010 making a huge ranting post defending IdrA. Ofcourse i've heard him somewhere, and hes the textbook awkward nerd with no charisma, compare him to someone like Tasteless. There's nothing wrong with being an awkward nerd, but when you're an awkward nerd with no charisma you shouldn't be making people hate you but acting like a dick. This is a fucking strategy game, we don't need a 'villian' and he isn't even trying to be a 'villian', he's just a angry little nerd when he loses games. Go read the Rekrul thread. He acts like a whiny baby against people on the ladder every time he loses incase you hadn't noticed. You can tell the truth and be honest without being a dick. Stork is an honest player, He speaks his mind, and he's well liked. Many players are. Being honest doesn't mean you have to act like a childish idiot who is making the entire foreign scene look bad with his antics.
I don't give a shit if he 'endured' 2 years in Korea. Maybe he should have realized like everyone else did long before that he wouldn't actually achieve anything in BW and left ages ago. We don't need people acting like its fucking USEast if this is to be considered a professional sport. I don;t even understand why people think we actually NEED bad mannered players. Least FBH was actually funny, and his BM was in a way in which is completely different. He danced his around his opponent when he won, probably the worst incident. IdrA doesn't do anything like that, he doesn't do anything funny at all. He pisses Koreans off, and he pisses the foreign community off. I look forward to when he inevitability fades into obscurity in the Korean SC2 scene.
Edit: It really is funny to go through this thread and read the regdates of the IdrA supporters. You were all not even fucking around for before so you should not even comment.
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Another argument backed up by misleading information that you fall for because you want to.
I have been lurking and following the scene since 2006-2007 ish. The fact alone that you checked my profile for any additional argument to get alone shows how desperate you are to not let your imaginary boat sink
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