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Korean Netizen Response to Zenio's Ceremony - Page 12

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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 01 2010 19:11 GMT
#221
On December 02 2010 03:10 LazyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 03:02 ScDeluX wrote:
On December 02 2010 02:50 LazyMacro wrote:
On October 30 2010 11:34 infinitestory wrote:
it seems that the name "grack" will be sticking around for a while

Where did the name come from? o.o



Slayers Boxer called him Grack in a ladder game

rofl

Typo or deliberate?


Typo I think... I doubt "Greg" is a very common name to spell out in Korean... and it sounds a little like Grack. Plus I'd like to think that Boxer is too gm to intentionally mispell a name
DrKN
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden130 Posts
December 01 2010 21:48 GMT
#222
I've lol'd at this person since day 1 and he still delivers...
This takes the price.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 02 2010 11:39 GMT
#223
I'm sorry, Idra is a good player, no doubt about it, but please stop with the "best foreigner". Even in the end of BW he was not the best foreigner (one of the best, that we agree, but he was not clearly dominating the foreign scene at all).
As for SC2, everybody know the skill required is much less than in SC1... And (again) I don't think Idra is the best foreigner : one of the best, that's for sure, but in a big 1v1 tournament with the greatest, nobody can say if he is going to win or not.

If there is one thing that we can be sure about Idra is that he is the most overrated foreigner (everybody say he is so awesome, yet he don't achieve so much, in my eyes what Jinro achieved after a few weeks in korea is way more impressive).
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
dezholling
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 11:51:03
December 02 2010 11:50 GMT
#224
On December 02 2010 20:39 WhiteDog wrote:
... in my eyes what Jinro achieved after a few weeks in korea is way more impressive).


Jinro has been in Korea since before GSL season 1, he didn't show up a few weeks ago.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 11:56:19
December 02 2010 11:53 GMT
#225
Jinro has been in Korea since before GSL season 1, he didn't show up a few weeks ago.

My bad, why was it that i feel like his level just increased real fast this last weeks ?

As for talent in SC, for me talent is the ability to make decision, sudden strat change or original unit combo that will lead to a change in the meta game: that's why I respect so much people like Moon or MadFrog despite their grey result in SC2: they shaped their own race in wc3 with inventive play and decision making. That's talent! But that's really something a few people have.
Micro/Macro/Safe Build is just something you get with practice.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
December 02 2010 17:56 GMT
#226
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote:
If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.

donno why, but this made me lol
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
December 02 2010 19:27 GMT
#227
Grack's BM is world-renown. I wonder if this is something to be proud of.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
December 03 2010 00:01 GMT
#228
Hockey players beat the shit out of eachother,

Idra doesn't GG.

People cry.



Grow some balls people, seriously. I'm a angry gamer when I game because I get into the game, I identify alot with IdrA; He cares and he gets angry when he feels he hasn't lost because it was his skills but some other factor: I understand him completely.

He has badmouthed alot of people, he gets it returned, who cares. No one can seriously pretend he does not add flavour and spice to e-gaming... without people like him it would be godamn boring. I'm Swedish and I've met morrow, he's a boring guy in many ways and I'd never care for esports if it was all serene tossers with no passion. IdrA atleast seems to have some personallity.
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
Sandrosuperstar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden525 Posts
December 03 2010 00:09 GMT
#229
i love idra but it's funny that he is a guy with personality but lacks feeling. so baller though :D
I'm homo for Lomo, gay for GGplay, but at the end of the day I put my dong in Lee Jaedong
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 00:39:55
December 03 2010 00:38 GMT
#230
This OP is really biased..onesided...-_- half of Korean disliked Zenio's behavior at that time.
You know what I'm talking about
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 03 2010 00:53 GMT
#231
On December 02 2010 20:39 WhiteDog wrote:
I'm sorry, Idra is a good player, no doubt about it, but please stop with the "best foreigner". Even in the end of BW he was not the best foreigner (one of the best, that we agree, but he was not clearly dominating the foreign scene at all).

Wait, what? Aside from TSL2, IdrA was definitely dominating the foreign scene at the end. He had a really good stretch where he was winning everything.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 02:46:19
December 03 2010 02:45 GMT
#232
On December 02 2010 04:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 15:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 01 2010 08:51 infinity2k9 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:57 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous)
.


He wasn't good enough to be on any A-Team, that's why he lost in both Dream league matches he played and lost every OSL/MSL qualification match except in the last one. CJ isn't deep enough that he couldn't even make a Dream League spot consistently. Nothing indicates he was legitimately good enough at all and i think you could make a pretty strong argument that he is infact lacking in natural talent at SC compared to someone like Nony, who won TSL2 fairly easily after a long break. IdrA was still only winning about 60% of games against Ret, despite playing 12 hours a day in a T favoured matchup. I can't say i ever saw a genuinely impressive BW IdrA game. All i saw was almost 100% standard macro builds against inferior foreign players who played less and therefore had less mechanically ability. It's just unfortunate we didn't have time to get some kids out in Korea with real natural talent like Kolll or Morrow, or intelligent players like F91.

Now he's got a headstart in SC2 everyone seems to assume he's now actually a good player, yet he still suffers from the exact same faults. I wouldn't be surprised about a RO64 exit next tournament depending on the brackets then eventually a non-qualification as players with skill other than mechanics take over.


I wont claim that you haven't watched a lot of PL (since I don't know you)... but there are some seriously weak players that got matches from time to time. I'm not saying IdrA would have done well on the A-Team, far from it, but he indeed was better than some players who got time in the PL. His games against foreigners were heavily macro oriented... I (along with most people) think he probably should have added a little cheese from time to time but we also all understand why he chose to go macro oriented safe, standard builds so often. Also, Ret was very good at BW himself as was evidence by several of his victories over B-Teamers and taking a game off Nada at Blizzcon in a pure macro game.

However, I will take some more time to address your last point as it's something that people who underestimate IdrA point to over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. People cooonstantly talk about him being "robotic", lacking in game sense, or susceptible to cheese. I've seen no reason to believe IdrA is more susceptable to cheese than any other player.... What I have seen is IdrA is more susceptable to BEING cheesed than any other player, however. I don't expect everybody to think IdrA is the best player in the world and some favorite to win any tournament he enters... but sooner or later people will have to open their eyes to how good he is and can be. Everybody loses, but around here only IdrA's losses come with so much overblown analysis.


Idk about that, i've seen some really sad games in proleague but Idra vs F91 man.. The issue I have with Idra is that he keeps going "safe standard" builds but loses anyway in the early game. Thus the only conclusion I can come up with is that his standard play just isn't up to par. Like no one dares cheese Flash because they know it won't work.
Aggressive play is usually the best way to beat a less skilled opponent and I think that's why Idra gets cheesed a lot. Sooner or later, people will have to open their eyes to how he's not delivering any results. Ever. We waited years for something to happen in Broodwar and still nothing. Even in foreign tournaments, Idra was not really delivering. And the sc2 scene will only attract more and more good players which will just raise the skill ceiling even higher.

EDIT: he had it coming anyway, I was getting so sick of his BM and poor results. Even FBH manages to put up good games vs A-team players. Idra never even got televised

A huge number of games flash loses are due to hyperaggression, including OSL/MSL finals games and the semifinal he lost to ForGG. Often that's from being overly greedy, but the same can be said about some of IdrA games.

In BW his results were consistently high in the non-korean scene, and while his korean results weren't stellar (1-2 loss to A-teamer Trap in GOM, 1-2 to Jaehoon in ro4 of indiv qualifiers), it's definitely not 'nothing'. You can say that he performed below your expectations if you were hoping for something more, but definitely not that he hasn't delivered anything.
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
December 03 2010 03:56 GMT
#233
Remember that game where Idra cancelled his command center and quit? Who was the show match against I forget now. Guy has provided a lot of entertainment, gotta admit.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
December 03 2010 06:24 GMT
#234
On December 03 2010 12:56 Mothra wrote:
Remember that game where Idra cancelled his command center and quit? Who was the show match against I forget now. Guy has provided a lot of entertainment, gotta admit.

Nony, and it was in the quarter-finals of TSL2. What could have been if not for that error, who knows.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 03 2010 06:27 GMT
#235
Wow, if people posted that in the LR thread on TL.net they'd probably get a warning/temp ban.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
December 03 2010 08:09 GMT
#236
On December 03 2010 09:53 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 20:39 WhiteDog wrote:
I'm sorry, Idra is a good player, no doubt about it, but please stop with the "best foreigner". Even in the end of BW he was not the best foreigner (one of the best, that we agree, but he was not clearly dominating the foreign scene at all).

Wait, what? Aside from TSL2, IdrA was definitely dominating the foreign scene at the end. He had a really good stretch where he was winning everything.


and what a scene it was.
why so 진지해?
Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
December 04 2010 04:01 GMT
#237
The problem with Idra's BM is he calls people bad when he loses. It's not like he even whines that they cheese or are gimmicky. Idra calls you straight out bad when you beat him. That's nerd rage. There are somany times where he talks shit on somebody for making a decision when he's not even correct. He doesnt understand that being the least creative player in the entire GSL is a weak point, and he doesn't put very much thought into other people's strategies. He just assumes they are worse than him because they're not Idra.

he's no idiot, but he certainly has tunnel vision about pretty much everything.
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
AyeH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States534 Posts
December 04 2010 06:46 GMT
#238
i think zenio's ceremony is fine. korea is big on respect and zenio was disrespected by idra. that gesture is kinda used in korea to say like "stop playing around". if idra was BMing him a lot during the beta, then i don't see what's wrong with zenio's actions.
Is it in you?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
December 04 2010 07:31 GMT
#239
WE HAVE A VILLAIN!!!!!!!!!
KingWillko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1 Post
December 11 2010 02:50 GMT
#240
On December 04 2010 13:01 Eknoid4 wrote:
The problem with Idra's BM is he calls people bad when he loses. It's not like he even whines that they cheese or are gimmicky. Idra calls you straight out bad when you beat him. That's nerd rage. There are somany times where he talks shit on somebody for making a decision when he's not even correct. He doesnt understand that being the least creative player in the entire GSL is a weak point, and he doesn't put very much thought into other people's strategies. He just assumes they are worse than him because they're not Idra.

he's no idiot, but he certainly has tunnel vision about pretty much everything.

+1

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