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Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States277 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 07:15:49
October 16 2010 06:58 GMT
#1
Training Update
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Spent the day playing the SCBW single player campaign. I'm a sucker for the storyline ... what can I say? I'll finish up the campaign this weekend so I can start SC2 in earnest on Monday.


Shoutout to all the people who left me encouraging comments or sent me PMs on TL, twitter, email, and even Quora. Y'all are great.

Since there wasn't much to report training-wise, I thought I'd write a bit about what StarCraft means to me in general. I think that all of this time I'm dedicating to StarCraft should be as much about recognizing the role that StarCraft plays in my life as it is about getting good at the game. Sound a little dubious and New Age-y? I'm just getting started.


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This is a current screenshot (well, with some parts blurred) of my Facebook profile's "about me" section. For basically as long as there's been a "Religious Views" field on Facebook (I've been on the site since about August 2005), it's looked exactly like it does today. Religious Views: StarCraft.

At first it was just a "I'm not really religious and LOL wouldn't it be funny to have a computer game as my religion herp derp" kinda thing (ah, the stupidity of youth), but upon further review it's actually fairly representative of my relationship with this game.


My Take on Religion
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My take on religion is less the "worship one or more personified deities" approach and more the Asian philosophical approach. If you're familiar with Confucianism, Daoism, Buddhism, Shinto, or other such schools of thought, it's easy to understand that these "religions" are really more like philosophical systems which influence and provide structure to their adherents' worldviews as profoundly as religion in the more familiar sense does. These systems each offer a set of concepts and metaphors which attempt to make sense of the world within a certain logical frame of reference. Some examples:

Confucianism:
      Human relationships come in 6 different types and each type has its own ideal role for each party involved. Pain and suffering come from an imperfect understanding of these relationships and violations of these roles.

Buddhism:
      One lifetime is a single link in a chain of reincarnations where the individual attempts to escape suffering and attain a higher state of existence.


These schools of thought try to organize and explain the rampant (perceived) chaos of life in a way that seems logical and intuitive from a certain perspective. To an extent (that is, from my perspective), you can apply this to the scientific method and more archetypal religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.):

Scientific Method:
      Controlled observations of natural phenomena can be used to generate hypotheses regarding cause and effect, which can then be used to predict further related phenomena.

Christianity:
      God gave humanity a means of redemption from sin (i.e. chaos, pain, suffering) by creating Ten Commandments and then further by creating a human Savior who taught and personified this redemption.


All this is to say that each religion or system of thought (again, from my perspective) offers a way of making sense of the world, especially its difficult spots. Think of the way people quote the Bible (or, for that matter, Confucius or Buddha or scientific papers) in any possible situation - these people are drawing on the universality of the metaphors and concepts that each system possesses. Foundational religious and/or philosophical texts often have parables or analogy-like anecdotes within them which are used as teaching tools - it's a way to help acolytes get used to applying the system's worldview to many different situations.

This forms the foundation of what I've just decided to name "analogistic liquidity" (lol @ "anal") - the ease with which one thought system's proprietary concepts analogize to a wide range of real or hypothetical situations. How well would Confucianism's 6 relationships generalize to, say, humans meeting aliens? Maybe not so well. Low analogistic liquidity there.

I personally have no real cultural or emotional connection to any religion or branch of philosophy, so if I'm looking for some systematic way to view life, I'm basically looking for whatever school of thought has the most analogistic liquidity AND which resonates the strongest with me in my life.

As you might've guessed by now, that school of thought is StarCraft.



Why does StarCraft make the most sense for me given this definition (see spoiler above) of a "religious view"?

Well, StarCraft clearly has a lot of personal resonance for me - I've been playing SC for a long time, I've met a lot of great friends (IRL friends even!) through SC, I find the community stimulating and the professional scene very exciting, and since I'm in the gaming industry for my career it makes sense that a great computer game would have high emotional value for me.

StarCraft is also a resource management game which rewards skill, strategy, multitasking ability, and creativity, which are all traits which I think are important outside of the game. Therefore, it has high analogistic liquidity for me - the arc of a StarCraft game is something that can be abstracted to many different situations in life. StarCraft resonates with my worldview while also providing a logical structure to help me understand parts of life which might seem irrational, opaque, or chaotic at times.


Example: writing a 5-paragraph persuasive essay

You start out by gathering information and doing research to figure out what your topic and thesis will be and how it will address the body of knowledge that is already out there on the subject.

      This is like scouting at the beginning of a game to determine your build order in response to what your opponent is doing.


Then you start writing your paper and lay down your introduction and your major arguments. You draw upon your research to back up your points.

      This is like mid-game when you've already set up the basics of your economy and you're spending lots of minerals and gas to produce units to engage your enemy with.

Finally, you pull everything together and conclude your argument, enlightening your audience with its originality and giving them the "aha!" moment where they understand what you're trying to say and why the hell it matters.

      This is like end-game where you deliver the killing blow, your enemy says "GG," and that win has an effect on the real world by allowing you to advance in a ladder/bracket/your own self-esteem/your peer group's esteem.


There are a lot of smaller and larger ways in which I call upon StarCraft basically on a daily basis to help explain the world to myself and to others. But anyway, if you got this far, thanks for reading - I hope it was entertaining!

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"You only get one life on this earth, Tasteless, and if you're not spending the majority of it playing StarCraft, I would argue that it might be wasted." "I couldn't agree more, Artosis."
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
October 16 2010 07:04 GMT
#2
What blurring filter did you use? It looks like it's supposed to make speed lines or something, not blur. You're way better off just crossing it out or using the eraser tool in MSPaint...
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Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States277 Posts
October 16 2010 07:06 GMT
#3
Thanks for the tip, but I was going for a specific effect which I think the blurs accomplished. I used pixlr.com's smudge tool.
"You only get one life on this earth, Tasteless, and if you're not spending the majority of it playing StarCraft, I would argue that it might be wasted." "I couldn't agree more, Artosis."
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 09:23:07
October 16 2010 07:12 GMT
#4
It's not really blurred at all, though, if that was the "specific effect." If you look hard enough you can read everything anyway. You appear to be a blur.

On-topic: All this depends on how you yourself define "religion," and everyone defines it differently anyway. I do like this, though:

StarCraft resonates with my worldview while also providing a logical structure to help me understand parts of life which might seem irrational, opaque, or chaotic at times.


edit: you intended the blur for privacy, which i shall now maintain

edit2: okay
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States277 Posts
October 16 2010 07:17 GMT
#5
Lol ok I blurred it more. You must've eaten your carrots when you were little!
"You only get one life on this earth, Tasteless, and if you're not spending the majority of it playing StarCraft, I would argue that it might be wasted." "I couldn't agree more, Artosis."
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 07:20:20
October 16 2010 07:19 GMT
#6
On October 16 2010 16:17 Peanutsc wrote:
Lol ok I blurred it more. You must've eaten your carrots when you were little!


I actually have 20/200 and 20/400 vision in my left and right eyes respectively, but I suppose that's what contacts with the power to pew pew lasers are for. :D

Making my foray into the military a bitch, though.

edit: mixed up left and right, i just learned "wenjjeok" and "oreunjjeok" from my mom today at age 18.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4835 Posts
October 16 2010 07:22 GMT
#7
I definitely use Starcraft to understand challenges in my life.
My strategy is to fork people.
Nayru
Profile Joined April 2010
United States87 Posts
October 16 2010 08:07 GMT
#8
Entertaining read indeed. Throwing in superbly written posts like this among your diamond progress is more than welcome. Keep it up.
White-Ra: "I miss reaver, he so stupid but he kill 20 SCV!"
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
October 16 2010 08:11 GMT
#9
You need to blur it more, its not that hard to read some bits.

I'm tempted to just write what i can read, but i think i'll respect your privacy.
Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States277 Posts
October 16 2010 08:32 GMT
#10
I mean ... it's not like people can't just look me up on Facebook and see this stuff ... it's more that I wanted the other stuff to be there to preserve the familiar layout of a facebook "about me" without distracting from the main part. It's less of a privacy thing than a visual distraction thing.
"You only get one life on this earth, Tasteless, and if you're not spending the majority of it playing StarCraft, I would argue that it might be wasted." "I couldn't agree more, Artosis."
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
October 16 2010 09:58 GMT
#11
My religious Views thing says "No thanks, I've had enough"
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
October 16 2010 10:03 GMT
#12
I'm a jedi on facebook
I am not good with quotes
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 10:20:18
October 16 2010 10:19 GMT
#13
So you're basically a huge nerd. Nothing bad about that. My religious views say: iseedeadpeople and my political views say allyourbasearebelongtous.
Dooba
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Croatia588 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 10:35:24
October 16 2010 10:34 GMT
#14
Completely agree Peanut. It was actually scary reading and seeing that we pretty much think exactly the same. Pretty simple to actually explain to oneself RL stuff by taking some sort of analogy from everyday SC.

Keep on rocking!
"Zergs are really stronger. I use to win 60-70%, now it is 40-50. I am switching to civilization 5 for now until any terran can come up with a better tactics."
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 12:10:47
October 16 2010 12:10 GMT
#15
I'm an Atheist, though this is pretty funny.

Also I agree with the rest on here. Someone can very easily get your picture and unblur it with Photoshop.

Not saying they would want to, but still.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Yotta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 12:44:16
October 16 2010 12:41 GMT
#16
>Religion:
>Scientific Method

RRRWWWAAAAARRRRGGGHHHLLBLBLEAAARGHH! >:O

Religions are certainly belief systems, but not all belief systems are religions. Religions are specifically those belief systems worshiping one or more deities and/or the origins and meaning of the universe. (The scientific method, in particular, is not concerned with the meaning of the universe).

It's cool that StarCraft has influenced your life in so many ways, but unless you worship some aspect of the starcraft universe as your deity it is not a religion.

Also yeah I can read pretty much everything in your picture.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 16 2010 13:03 GMT
#17
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 13:18:07
October 16 2010 13:16 GMT
#18
Religion seems like a lie to me. How do you win over followers?
- Give people the answer to life's two most pressing questions: why are we here and what happens after we die?
- Offer people a way to obtain immortality or happiness after death. How appealing.
- The loving God punishes you severely if you don't believe what the religion says, but most religions seem to have some perfect bullet-proof way to make it impossible for you to find out. For example, the Bible says it's a sin to test God and ask him to do something or grant a prayer to prove he's real. Oh and because of Jesus saving us, there is no need for God to interact directly, that's why he doesn't talk to us like he did in biblical times. Isn't that convenient. Now, without any proof other than a book or the speeches of some guy, you'd better dedicate your life to this or else you're fucked.
- Shame people for completely natural impulses, always guarenteeing a steady stream of followers.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Altair
Profile Joined August 2009
243 Posts
October 16 2010 13:55 GMT
#19
Our Starcraft, who art in Korea
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Tournaments come,
Thy Metagame be done,
On all maps,as it is in Korea.
Give us this day our Day9Daily
And forgive us our cheese
As we forgive those who cheese us,
Lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from Kespa/Gretech.

In the name of Terran, of Zerg and Protoss,
APM

Competent
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
October 16 2010 14:33 GMT
#20
Honestly it seems you are trying to associate what is a by-product of religion to define what religion is... Because starcraft allowed you to meet a community, taught you principles of life, and stimulates you emotionally that does not equal what a religion is, meerly a by-product of religion.

I wouldn't speak so critically on this but it seems this has more of a serious feel rather than a joke. So I guess what I am trying to say is just because SC carries by-products of what today's religions carry does not make it a religion, it makes it like a religion.

Me being an Agnostic though find the definition of a religion to be in it's own light just saying you are a bigot, so I think Starcraft would better be called a way of life for you rather than a religion.
Nurrrhhh, I'm gonna be A+ by Wendsday! -Day[9] "I'm going to spread out my lings so it looks like there is more. Lots of animals do that." -CatZ
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