EPTI'm just sick of SC2 for now (I feel as if Terran just roflstomps everyone) and I kind of want to try playing bw just to see what it's like to try and get good at it. Can anyone help me out? Or should I not bother at all.
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I'm just sick of SC2 for now (I feel as if Terran just roflstomps everyone) and I kind of want to try playing bw just to see what it's like to try and get good at it. Can anyone help me out? Or should I not bother at all. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Antiochus
Canada548 Posts
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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:07 youngminii wrote: So I'm one of those people that joined TL during the whole SC2 influx (inorite, stone me), I've never really played bw besides maybe 5 or so games in total at an internet cafe.. And the campaign. I'm just sick of SC2 for now (I feel as if Terran just roflstomps everyone) and I kind of want to try playing bw just to see what it's like to try and get good at it. Can anyone help me out? Or should I not bother at all. BLASPHEMY dont listen to these fuckers talking about how you'll get stomped. It'd be just like starting anything else where there's a really high skill ceiling. Play for the heart of the game! But it is reaaaally hard to get good at so have fun with that but DO IT | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Can it? I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote: Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2... Can it? I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off. well what is your apm? also if you do start in bw i recommend you start with protoss, most people consider it the easiest race to learn at lower ranks. p.s. you have 1337 posts | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote: Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2... Can it? I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off. Staying at D takes months of effort, and thats only the rank you start at. Getting to D+ nowadays, especially with all the scrubs at SC2 and only koreans left, is really going to take much dedication. You are really underestimating BW. It is very hard. And I would say D+ is easily atleast 1600+ at starcraft before SC2 came out. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:47 whitelynx wrote: Staying at D takes months of effort, and thats only the rank you start at. Getting to D+ nowadays, especially with all the scrubs at SC2 and only koreans left, is really going to take much dedication. You are really underestimating BW. It is very hard. And I would say D+ is easily atleast 1600+ at starcraft before SC2 came out. But being hard and having so many more things to do makes it so much more involved and fun. I have great fun in BW microing my units and running around. SC2? A click, they auto surround for me. *cue yawning* | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote: Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2... Can it? Hehe good luck. O ya. 1400 diamond is like D- scrub macro. | ||
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streetclam
Australia92 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:46 Nitrogen wrote: p.s. you have 1337 posts Not gonna lie, didn't even read the blog. I only noticed that. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote: Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2... Can it? Lolololololololololololol. You can only see for yourself  | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
I got to C- on my second season (after playing 20-30 games in the first one), so it's really not that hard to move up. Just get comfortable with the mechanics and get solid build orders, which will take you to D+ by itself. Also, learn to deflect early aggression (you play SC2, you know about this), and you'll win a ton of games. glhf | ||
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote: Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2... Can it? I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off. you're going to get raped lol not counting like 0-91092310 D players, or any rank lower than D because those people are obviously lacking a real brain. i should add especially if you're going to play T/Z if you play p it's not that bad for the D ranks, but even then lolol | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
But you should try it out. Sure you're gonna get whupped the first few times, but I think things will get better if you practice. Also, I hate how people who got here in the "SC2" phase have like...over 1000 posts. I only have around 600/700.  | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
If you give it a shot, obviously play on ICCUP and not B.net, and I suggest playing Protoss. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1. I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good. It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to. Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 30 2010 10:43 Subversion wrote: You're not wrong, the controls are definitely more clunks and definitely a lot worse. That's part of the skill challenge, though. i tried this as well. but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1. I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good. It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to. Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol.  Once you understand them, you can make the units do what you want most of the time (besides reavers) but doing it in game while macroing is another issue.I played BW and I don't think I'd want to go back from SC2. I can live without MBS (zerg anyways) and larger groups, but the automining is ingrained in my head now. :| | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
What I mainly want out of this is to know what playing bw is like, getting my multitasking/macro up and improving my micro. In SC2 basically all I do is 2a (2 is my army) but I've seen other people micro so efficiently who came from bw. Will update blog showing how I do. | ||
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iamho
United States3346 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On September 30 2010 10:48 Jibba wrote: You're not wrong, the controls are definitely more clunks and definitely a lot worse. That's part of the skill challenge, though. Once you understand them, you can make the units do what you want most of the time (besides reavers) but doing it in game while macroing is another issue.I played BW and I don't think I'd want to go back from SC2. I can live without MBS (zerg anyways) and larger groups, but the automining is ingrained in my head now. :| hehe yeah thats kinda what i mean. its like trying to drive a formula 1 car. its difficult, way too sensitive, and you probably won't be able to get the thing to move after 100 tries. but once you've mastered it... its great. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF? I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On September 30 2010 10:59 youngminii wrote: I'm probably going to use Protoss since I use it in SC2, a nice bonus that it's easier to use :D What I mainly want out of this is to know what playing bw is like, getting my multitasking/macro up and improving my micro. In SC2 basically all I do is 2a (2 is my army) but I've seen other people micro so efficiently who came from bw. Will update blog showing how I do. Oh protoss. You'll get c- in a week Kidding but major differences if you really haven't played brood war. Units are stupid as hell. Grab 12 dragoons, right click down a ramp, and you'll see what I mean. Constant worker production is soooooo much harder. 4gate is actually an all-in. | ||
Kiante
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CynanMachae
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Trap
United States395 Posts
I don't suggest starting BW with a really competitive attitude, but rather just keep exploring builds that you like because even though the game has been fairly mapped out the execution is always extremely complex. Mid/late game Broodwar is incomparable to SC2. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On September 30 2010 12:03 youngminii wrote: So I played my first game and HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF? I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious. Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On September 30 2010 12:19 Dfgj wrote: Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D hahahaha yeah thats the reason i dont play desti anymore, and when i do, i just dont try and break their nat, its just not worth the pain | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
"sense", I think it's your brain subconsciously picking up patterns) and you can sort of circumvent it. It's one of those "FUCK YA" moments... | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 30 2010 12:22 Kiante wrote: hahahaha yeah thats the reason i dont play desti anymore, and when i do, i just dont try and break their nat, its just not worth the pain Lol I'm the same way, I just deny the heck out of any other expos and make them have to try and come out across the bridges, they usually leave once they are out of resources. Yeah, coming from sc2 the pathing has to be one hell of shock, its bad yes, but it really makes the game a bit more interesting and dyanamic, and makes controlling key areas such as ramps, chokes, and bridges alot more important and effective. You do get used to it though, and as cambrium said you start to just know when your units are about to act completely retarted. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
At least it isn't like 4 gate every game. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 30 2010 13:23 youngminii wrote: I just lost a PvP where I had like 4 bases and my opponent had 2 (I think) At least it isn't like 4 gate every game. in PvP you have to be really careful about when and where to take expansions, I think that cost youthe game ^^ | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
And of course a few skills and ideas are transferable to SC2. And yes, path-finding, while annoying sometimes, becomes predictable in the face of experience and understanding. After all, all path-finding engines are built from algorithms, formulas, and ultimately logic that originated from a human brain contemplating the problem of creating path-finding. If you hold a solid D+ and go back to SC2 I guarantee you'll be like, "Wtf is this easy game I'm playing?" | ||
thedeadhaji
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On September 30 2010 14:35 thedeadhaji wrote: played a few games today after a 2 year hiatus and holy shit i suck donkey balls now lol. I have no idea what I'm doing >< dont knock yourself, your tvp was ok. if you'd expanded a bit more aggressively you could've beaten me | ||
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