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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 30 2010 00:07 GMT
#1
So I'm one of those people that joined TL during the whole SC2 influx (inorite, stone me), I've never really played bw besides maybe 5 or so games in total at an internet cafe.. And the campaign.

I'm just sick of SC2 for now (I feel as if Terran just roflstomps everyone) and I kind of want to try playing bw just to see what it's like to try and get good at it. Can anyone help me out? Or should I not bother at all.

*****
lalala
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
September 30 2010 00:08 GMT
#2
People in BW are even better man. You will likely get roflstomped even more hard. I suggest just play something else then come back to sc2 when you're ready cause bw isn't going to make you feel any better if you are frustrated by losing in SC2
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 30 2010 00:12 GMT
#3
You will get stomped even harder in iccup. Play some games on b.net east i guess.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 30 2010 00:15 GMT
#4
The UMS is certainly better than SC2s so id recommend you take breaks by going on pub servers of BW
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
September 30 2010 00:23 GMT
#5
Go out and get the battlechest for 10 dollars, best 10 dollars you will ever spend.
All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
Inkarnate
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada840 Posts
September 30 2010 00:24 GMT
#6
If you feel Terran is too strong to overcome in SC2, then you will lose even harder when you try to switch to Brood War as it will take more practice to get good than it would take practice to beat Terrans in SC2.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
September 30 2010 00:29 GMT
#7
On September 30 2010 09:07 youngminii wrote:
So I'm one of those people that joined TL during the whole SC2 influx (inorite, stone me), I've never really played bw besides maybe 5 or so games in total at an internet cafe.. And the campaign.

I'm just sick of SC2 for now (I feel as if Terran just roflstomps everyone) and I kind of want to try playing bw just to see what it's like to try and get good at it. Can anyone help me out? Or should I not bother at all.


BLASPHEMY

dont listen to these fuckers talking about how you'll get stomped. It'd be just like starting anything else where there's a really high skill ceiling. Play for the heart of the game! But it is reaaaally hard to get good at so have fun with that

but DO IT
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Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
September 30 2010 00:31 GMT
#8
since it's so cheap now there's really no reason not to do it. just play on bnet first (dont immediately try iccup, i guarantee you will be computer rank).
UNFUCK YOURSELF
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
September 30 2010 00:34 GMT
#9
If you're feeling committed, you can try picking up the ICCUP version of the game over at their site. You will lose, a lot, but it won't be because of balance and if you do overcome it is a very rewarding experience. Just seriously be ready for a -lot- of demoralizing losses. You will feel excitement every time you do win.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 30 2010 00:39 GMT
#10
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off.
lalala
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 30 2010 00:45 GMT
#11
A D/D+ player in ICCUP is roughly equivalent to a 1200-1400 diamond player. And that's a pretty conservative estimate. So idk you tell us, can it be that different?
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
September 30 2010 00:46 GMT
#12
I'd have to ask, is your problem with SC2 that you're always losing, or that you're always losing to the same thing. If it's the former, BW might not be the best place to go because it takes A LOT of work early on to master the basics. If it's the latter, try out BW. You'll lose a lot as you get started, but it won't be to the same thing every game.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
September 30 2010 00:46 GMT
#13
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off.


well what is your apm?

also if you do start in bw i recommend you start with protoss, most people consider it the easiest race to learn at lower ranks.

p.s. you have 1337 posts
UNFUCK YOURSELF
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 00:48:33
September 30 2010 00:47 GMT
#14
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off.


Staying at D takes months of effort, and thats only the rank you start at. Getting to D+ nowadays, especially with all the scrubs at SC2 and only koreans left, is really going to take much dedication.

You are really underestimating BW. It is very hard.

And I would say D+ is easily atleast 1600+ at starcraft before SC2 came out.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 30 2010 00:48 GMT
#15
I quit playing Blood War long time ago. Albeit I believe it to be amazing spectator effort, I know it's not worth the effort considering my skill level and time investment necessary to increase that skill ceiling.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
September 30 2010 00:49 GMT
#16
add me on iCCup Terrakin, im terrible though so you shouldn't have a problem playing evenly against me
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Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
September 30 2010 00:50 GMT
#17
On September 30 2010 09:47 whitelynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off.


Staying at D takes months of effort, and thats only the rank you start at. Getting to D+ nowadays, especially with all the scrubs at SC2 and only koreans left, is really going to take much dedication.

You are really underestimating BW. It is very hard.

And I would say D+ is easily atleast 1600+ at starcraft before SC2 came out.

But being hard and having so many more things to do makes it so much more involved and fun.

I have great fun in BW microing my units and running around.

SC2? A click, they auto surround for me. *cue yawning*
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 00:53:14
September 30 2010 00:51 GMT
#18
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?


Hehe good luck.

O ya. 1400 diamond is like D- scrub macro.
streetclam
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia92 Posts
September 30 2010 00:53 GMT
#19
On September 30 2010 09:46 Nitrogen wrote:


p.s. you have 1337 posts


Not gonna lie, didn't even read the blog. I only noticed that.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 01:05:30
September 30 2010 01:03 GMT
#20
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

Lolololololololololololol. You can only see for yourself
:)
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 30 2010 01:09 GMT
#21
If you play in Asia times you're pretty much going to lose 50% of your games to D koreans that were B last season. The upside is that 'real' D players are going to get their skulls caved in by you, which leads to hilarity when you have the time to play during US hours. Your mirror match is also going to rape because you can copy stuff off A~ players that beat you.

I got to C- on my second season (after playing 20-30 games in the first one), so it's really not that hard to move up. Just get comfortable with the mechanics and get solid build orders, which will take you to D+ by itself. Also, learn to deflect early aggression (you play SC2, you know about this), and you'll win a ton of games.

glhf
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
September 30 2010 01:10 GMT
#22
BW is ridiculously hard to master in every aspect. I got to C- and don't think I've ever done a perfect split at the beginning.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 01:21:52
September 30 2010 01:20 GMT
#23
On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off.


you're going to get raped lol

not counting like 0-91092310 D players, or any rank lower than D

because those people are obviously lacking a real brain.

i should add especially if you're going to play T/Z if you play p it's not that bad for the D ranks, but even then lolol
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 30 2010 01:33 GMT
#24
I usually play Koreans because of my play hours and I my highest was only at a D+ because of that. I honestly think I could've hit C- or even C....but you never know....especially with an inconsistent player like me.

But you should try it out. Sure you're gonna get whupped the first few times, but I think things will get better if you practice.

Also, I hate how people who got here in the "SC2" phase have like...over 1000 posts.

I only have around 600/700.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 01:45:47
September 30 2010 01:43 GMT
#25
I say try it, but you will in all likelihood get dominated. I don't mean like SC2 "I'm on a 5 losing streak" kind of owned, I mean "I've played for a week straight and I'm 2-30." I also suggest studying up if you can. Read some of the guides in the BW strategy forum and check out Day9's earlier Dailies. Not only are you taking a huge step up mechanics wise, but understanding the game at a D+/C- level takes a lonnnng time.

If you give it a shot, obviously play on ICCUP and not B.net, and I suggest playing Protoss.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
September 30 2010 01:43 GMT
#26
i tried this as well.

but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1.

I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good.

It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to.

Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 30 2010 01:48 GMT
#27
On September 30 2010 10:43 Subversion wrote:
i tried this as well.

but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1.

I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good.

It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to.

Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol.
You're not wrong, the controls are definitely more clunks and definitely a lot worse. That's part of the skill challenge, though. Once you understand them, you can make the units do what you want most of the time (besides reavers) but doing it in game while macroing is another issue.

I played BW and I don't think I'd want to go back from SC2. I can live without MBS (zerg anyways) and larger groups, but the automining is ingrained in my head now. :|
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 30 2010 01:59 GMT
#28
I'm probably going to use Protoss since I use it in SC2, a nice bonus that it's easier to use :D

What I mainly want out of this is to know what playing bw is like, getting my multitasking/macro up and improving my micro. In SC2 basically all I do is 2a (2 is my army) but I've seen other people micro so efficiently who came from bw.

Will update blog showing how I do.
lalala
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
September 30 2010 02:19 GMT
#29
Good luck, the hardest part about BW is probably that you're going to need 5+ control group armies which need to be constantly replenished
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
September 30 2010 02:38 GMT
#30
i was 12-96 when i first did iccup. That score is spread over 3 accounts lol. But anyways if you think terran is bad.....well i dont see hope for you on iccup sry
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
September 30 2010 02:48 GMT
#31
On September 30 2010 10:48 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 10:43 Subversion wrote:
i tried this as well.

but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1.

I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good.

It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to.

Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol.
You're not wrong, the controls are definitely more clunks and definitely a lot worse. That's part of the skill challenge, though. Once you understand them, you can make the units do what you want most of the time (besides reavers) but doing it in game while macroing is another issue.

I played BW and I don't think I'd want to go back from SC2. I can live without MBS (zerg anyways) and larger groups, but the automining is ingrained in my head now. :|


hehe yeah thats kinda what i mean. its like trying to drive a formula 1 car. its difficult, way too sensitive, and you probably won't be able to get the thing to move after 100 tries. but once you've mastered it... its great.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 30 2010 03:03 GMT
#32
So I played my first game and

HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF?

I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious.
lalala
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
September 30 2010 03:07 GMT
#33
On September 30 2010 10:59 youngminii wrote:
I'm probably going to use Protoss since I use it in SC2, a nice bonus that it's easier to use :D

What I mainly want out of this is to know what playing bw is like, getting my multitasking/macro up and improving my micro. In SC2 basically all I do is 2a (2 is my army) but I've seen other people micro so efficiently who came from bw.

Will update blog showing how I do.


Oh protoss. You'll get c- in a week
Kidding but major differences if you really haven't played brood war.


Units are stupid as hell. Grab 12 dragoons, right click down a ramp, and you'll see what I mean.
Constant worker production is soooooo much harder.
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 30 2010 03:10 GMT
#34
You need to pick a race, find a good build on liquipedia for each matchup, practice it a few times solo, THEN try a D- game on iccup.
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CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
September 30 2010 03:16 GMT
#35
I'm interesting to see how it goes if you actually do it, getting higher than D/D- on Iccup is reaaaaally a lot of work and if you have no BW experience you are going to find it quite hard
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Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
September 30 2010 03:19 GMT
#36
Go to channel op teamliquid on ICCUP, there are a decent number of people D- and higher hanging in there who will play or let you obs.

I don't suggest starting BW with a really competitive attitude, but rather just keep exploring builds that you like because even though the game has been fairly mapped out the execution is always extremely complex. Mid/late game Broodwar is incomparable to SC2.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 30 2010 03:19 GMT
#37
On September 30 2010 12:03 youngminii wrote:
So I played my first game and

HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF?

I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious.

Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 30 2010 03:22 GMT
#38
On September 30 2010 12:19 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 12:03 youngminii wrote:
So I played my first game and

HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF?

I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious.

Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D

hahahaha yeah thats the reason i dont play desti anymore, and when i do, i just dont try and break their nat, its just not worth the pain
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 30 2010 03:38 GMT
#39
after you play for a long time, you'll know when your dragoons are about to act stupid (you develop a
"sense", I think it's your brain subconsciously picking up patterns) and you can sort of circumvent it.

It's one of those "FUCK YA" moments...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 30 2010 04:18 GMT
#40
On September 30 2010 12:22 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 12:19 Dfgj wrote:
On September 30 2010 12:03 youngminii wrote:
So I played my first game and

HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF?

I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious.

Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D

hahahaha yeah thats the reason i dont play desti anymore, and when i do, i just dont try and break their nat, its just not worth the pain


Lol I'm the same way, I just deny the heck out of any other expos and make them have to try and come out across the bridges, they usually leave once they are out of resources.

Yeah, coming from sc2 the pathing has to be one hell of shock, its bad yes, but it really makes the game a bit more interesting and dyanamic, and makes controlling key areas such as ramps, chokes, and bridges alot more important and effective. You do get used to it though, and as cambrium said you start to just know when your units are about to act completely retarted.
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 30 2010 04:23 GMT
#41
I just lost a PvP where I had like 4 bases and my opponent had 2 (I think)

At least it isn't like 4 gate every game.
lalala
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 04:40:44
September 30 2010 04:40 GMT
#42
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Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
September 30 2010 05:11 GMT
#43
On September 30 2010 13:23 youngminii wrote:
I just lost a PvP where I had like 4 bases and my opponent had 2 (I think)

At least it isn't like 4 gate every game.


in PvP you have to be really careful about when and where to take expansions, I think that cost youthe game ^^
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
September 30 2010 05:29 GMT
#44
Good luck mate. BW is extremely hard, but some people thrive on challenge, and thus find success in BW quite fulfilling. I think any BW player, when he plays well (for a given value of well), feels like a veritable god of hand and mind control. Especially when playing Terran. I wear the "Fuck Yeah" face whenever I win a good TvP.

And of course a few skills and ideas are transferable to SC2.

And yes, path-finding, while annoying sometimes, becomes predictable in the face of experience and understanding. After all, all path-finding engines are built from algorithms, formulas, and ultimately logic that originated from a human brain contemplating the problem of creating path-finding.

If you hold a solid D+ and go back to SC2 I guarantee you'll be like, "Wtf is this easy game I'm playing?"
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 30 2010 05:35 GMT
#45
played a few games today after a 2 year hiatus and holy shit i suck donkey balls now lol. I have no idea what I'm doing ><
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 30 2010 07:42 GMT
#46
On September 30 2010 14:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
played a few games today after a 2 year hiatus and holy shit i suck donkey balls now lol. I have no idea what I'm doing ><


dont knock yourself, your tvp was ok. if you'd expanded a bit more aggressively you could've beaten me
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