If you play in Asia times you're pretty much going to lose 50% of your games to D koreans that were B last season. The upside is that 'real' D players are going to get their skulls caved in by you, which leads to hilarity when you have the time to play during US hours. Your mirror match is also going to rape because you can copy stuff off A~ players that beat you.

I got to C- on my second season (after playing 20-30 games in the first one), so it's really not that hard to move up. Just get comfortable with the mechanics and get solid build orders, which will take you to D+ by itself. Also, learn to deflect early aggression (you play SC2, you know about this), and you'll win a ton of games.

glhf

kaisr

Canada715 Posts

September 30 2010 01:10 GMT

#22

BW is ridiculously hard to master in every aspect. I got to C- and don't think I've ever done a perfect split at the beginning.

Divinek

Canada4045 Posts

September 30 2010 01:20 GMT

#23

On September 30 2010 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Call it naivety but I can't see myself struggling THAT hard at the bottom (aside from any smurfs), I mean bw can't be that different from SC2...
Can it?

I'm sick of SC2 because any idiot can play Terran with no skill while I need to play really well to hold them off.

you're going to get raped lol

not counting like 0-91092310 D players, or any rank lower than D

because those people are obviously lacking a real brain.

i should add especially if you're going to play T/Z if you play p it's not that bad for the D ranks, but even then lolol

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

September 30 2010 01:33 GMT

#24

I usually play Koreans because of my play hours and I my highest was only at a D+ because of that. I honestly think I could've hit C- or even C....but you never know....especially with an inconsistent player like me.

But you should try it out. Sure you're gonna get whupped the first few times, but I think things will get better if you practice.

Also, I hate how people who got here in the "SC2" phase have like...over 1000 posts.

I only have around 600/700.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

September 30 2010 01:43 GMT

#25

I say try it, but you will in all likelihood get dominated. I don't mean like SC2 "I'm on a 5 losing streak" kind of owned, I mean "I've played for a week straight and I'm 2-30." I also suggest studying up if you can. Read some of the guides in the BW strategy forum and check out Day9's earlier Dailies. Not only are you taking a huge step up mechanics wise, but understanding the game at a D+/C- level takes a lonnnng time.

If you give it a shot, obviously play on ICCUP and not B.net, and I suggest playing Protoss.

Subversion

South Africa3627 Posts

September 30 2010 01:43 GMT

#26

i tried this as well.

but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1.

I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good.

It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to.

Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

September 30 2010 01:48 GMT

#27

On September 30 2010 10:43 Subversion wrote:
i tried this as well.

but i found it very difficult going from sc2 to sc1.

I know that im wrong about this, so don't flame me, but i just felt sc1 was far more clunky and not nearly as smooth. the control is very difficult. i know the control is actually supposedly better in bw, but im obv not pro bw so it just didnt feel as smooth to me and the AI pathing etc obv isnt as good.

It's just very, very different, and its frustrating when things don't work the same way you're used to.

Also, yeah, you'll get stomped on ICCUP. I was, lol.

You're not wrong, the controls are definitely more clunks and definitely a lot worse. That's part of the skill challenge, though.

Once you understand them, you can make the units do what you want most of the time (besides reavers) but doing it in game while macroing is another issue.

I played BW and I don't think I'd want to go back from SC2. I can live without MBS (zerg anyways) and larger groups, but the automining is ingrained in my head now. :|

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

September 30 2010 01:59 GMT

#28

I'm probably going to use Protoss since I use it in SC2, a nice bonus that it's easier to use :D

What I mainly want out of this is to know what playing bw is like, getting my multitasking/macro up and improving my micro. In SC2 basically all I do is 2a (2 is my army) but I've seen other people micro so efficiently who came from bw.

Will update blog showing how I do.

iamho

United States3347 Posts

September 30 2010 02:19 GMT

#29

Good luck, the hardest part about BW is probably that you're going to need 5+ control group armies which need to be constantly replenished

Tabbris

Bangladesh2839 Posts

September 30 2010 02:38 GMT

#30

i was 12-96 when i first did iccup. That score is spread over 3 accounts lol. But anyways if you think terran is bad.....well i dont see hope for you on iccup sry

Subversion

South Africa3627 Posts

September 30 2010 02:48 GMT

#31

On September 30 2010 10:48 Jibba wrote:

Show nested quote +

You're not wrong, the controls are definitely more clunks and definitely a lot worse. That's part of the skill challenge, though.

hehe yeah thats kinda what i mean. its like trying to drive a formula 1 car. its difficult, way too sensitive, and you probably won't be able to get the thing to move after 100 tries. but once you've mastered it... its great.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

September 30 2010 03:03 GMT

#32

So I played my first game and

HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF?

I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious.

knyttym

United States5797 Posts

September 30 2010 03:07 GMT

#33

On September 30 2010 10:59 youngminii wrote:
I'm probably going to use Protoss since I use it in SC2, a nice bonus that it's easier to use :D

What I mainly want out of this is to know what playing bw is like, getting my multitasking/macro up and improving my micro. In SC2 basically all I do is 2a (2 is my army) but I've seen other people micro so efficiently who came from bw.

Will update blog showing how I do.

Oh protoss. You'll get c- in a week

Kidding but major differences if you really haven't played brood war.

Units are stupid as hell. Grab 12 dragoons, right click down a ramp, and you'll see what I mean.
Constant worker production is soooooo much harder.
4gate is actually an all-in.

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

September 30 2010 03:10 GMT

#34

You need to pick a race, find a good build on liquipedia for each matchup, practice it a few times solo, THEN try a D- game on iccup.

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

September 30 2010 03:16 GMT

#35

I'm interesting to see how it goes if you actually do it, getting higher than D/D- on Iccup is reaaaaally a lot of work and if you have no BW experience you are going to find it quite hard

Trap

United States395 Posts

September 30 2010 03:19 GMT

#36

Go to channel op teamliquid on ICCUP, there are a decent number of people D- and higher hanging in there who will play or let you obs.

I don't suggest starting BW with a really competitive attitude, but rather just keep exploring builds that you like because even though the game has been fairly mapped out the execution is always extremely complex. Mid/late game Broodwar is incomparable to SC2.

Dfgj

Singapore5922 Posts

September 30 2010 03:19 GMT

#37

On September 30 2010 12:03 youngminii wrote:
So I played my first game and

HOLY SHIT THE GAME'S NOTHING LIKE SC2 WTF?

I had no idea what I was doing but my opponent seemed pretty shit too... Then he came with Lurkers (totally forgot they existed) and roflstomped me. The pathing is hilarious.

Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

September 30 2010 03:22 GMT

#38

On September 30 2010 12:19 Dfgj wrote:

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Try getting goons over a bridge to break a contain on destination :D

hahahaha yeah thats the reason i dont play desti anymore, and when i do, i just dont try and break their nat, its just not worth the pain

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

September 30 2010 03:38 GMT

#39

after you play for a long time, you'll know when your dragoons are about to act stupid (you develop a
"sense", I think it's your brain subconsciously picking up patterns) and you can sort of circumvent it.

It's one of those "FUCK YA" moments...

L_Master

United States8017 Posts

September 30 2010 04:18 GMT

#40

On September 30 2010 12:22 Kiante wrote:

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hahahaha yeah thats the reason i dont play desti anymore, and when i do, i just dont try and break their nat, its just not worth the pain

Lol I'm the same way, I just deny the heck out of any other expos and make them have to try and come out across the bridges, they usually leave once they are out of resources.

Yeah, coming from sc2 the pathing has to be one hell of shock, its bad yes, but it really makes the game a bit more interesting and dyanamic, and makes controlling key areas such as ramps, chokes, and bridges alot more important and effective. You do get used to it though, and as cambrium said you start to just know when your units are about to act completely retarted.