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Most people watch because they have someone to cheer for. It's not only about the level of play that the players will produce. I mean with the players in broodwar you read their interviews and you get to know their personalities and you get a feeling of who you want to watch. It is also easier to feel connected to foreigners for the same reasons. In the GSL I don't think we know much about the players left at this point so we really have nothing to connect with and so we don't really care.
And no one really cares to read the interviews, so no one translates the interviews ^^;;;
I don't think there's much of a drive by the SC2 community to get to know the korean players at all ;p
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A LOT of the push for SC2 instead of BW is/was because foreigners could compete with Koreans. When foreigners get shut out of the biggest tournament, it's a black mark for that line of thought.
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On September 22 2010 08:40 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +Most people watch because they have someone to cheer for. It's not only about the level of play that the players will produce. I mean with the players in broodwar you read their interviews and you get to know their personalities and you get a feeling of who you want to watch. It is also easier to feel connected to foreigners for the same reasons. In the GSL I don't think we know much about the players left at this point so we really have nothing to connect with and so we don't really care. And no one really cares to read the interviews, so no one translates the interviews ^^;;; I don't think there's much of a drive by the SC2 community to get to know the korean players at all ;p
I've been "reading" them via google translate every day... I read the ones lyri translated that day but after virtually no response I figured they wouldn't be translated ever since. Google translate is enough to get the general idea but overall it's pretty awful lol.
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I've been cheering for Koreans for years, I don't mind doing it for a few more with a new game.
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I actually did pay for the GSL  . It's only 20 bucks and i like to support eSports. Not regretting the payment cause it was awesome while Idra, Artosis, Torch and TLO were playing but now I just don't care enough to watch it. That's my problem. I probably still will but just the replays and not live. I guess Tester is fun to watch.
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I stopped watching since Idra went out, since I thought that no one else had a realistic chance of getting to the finals, no offence to TLO.
Well if it's on and I'm eating lunch then I'll probably watch the games, but won't be very interested.
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Lol at how everyone's instantly assuming that koreans must somehow be better. Anyone who's watched the games or even knows about tournament and game records automatically understands that IdrA and TLO stand with the best of them.
"Ro16 are the best therefore they are entertaining" - uh, not necessarily. Oh hey zomg this guy has immaculate macroing, he has a lottt of units now zomggg sooo exciting.....yeah, no.
And seriously, anyone who saw that first game of TLO against hyperdub is seriously insane if they're claiming that Korean games have been the only entertaining or even the most entertaining ones. That game was for the ages.
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On September 22 2010 05:08 Chill wrote:
I watch but I don't really care anymore.
Don't feel the same excitement to be up at 2am. Will watch the Tester/ Cool games though + final with my friend on his vod account.
edit: It took some cheese to knock the big foreigners out, though to be fair Hyper lost the first set more than TLO looked super sexy winning it and Cheese against Idra really is standard. (I mean idra literally redefines cheese  )
I'm not gone forever, It'll be awhile before I see enough games to have a favorite korean. Without free vods though, that's not necessarily a guaranteed thing.
Edit 2: 815!!!!!!!!!!!! Or was it 518 ><
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On September 22 2010 09:29 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Lol at how everyone's instantly assuming that koreans must somehow be better. Anyone who's watched the games or even knows about tournament and game records automatically understands that IdrA and TLO stand with the best of them.
"Ro16 are the best therefore they are entertaining" - uh, not necessarily. Oh hey zomg this guy has immaculate macroing, he has a lottt of units now zomggg sooo exciting.....yeah, no.
And seriously, anyone who saw that first game of TLO against hyperdub is seriously insane if they're claiming that Korean games have been the only entertaining or even the most entertaining ones. That game was for the ages.
It definitely wasn't as great as casters hyped it to be, huge mistakes by the korean guy, he had the win secured. It's definitely a surprise the way things turned out to be after that opening, yet it's not "for the ages". In a year all these games and builds will seem outdated and funny. Plus TLO didn't get to play one of the better guys, his opponent was an underdog to begin with.
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Not waking up at 4 for non bw stuffz
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On September 22 2010 08:52 Severedevil wrote:
A LOT of the push for SC2 instead of BW is/was because foreigners could compete with Koreans. When foreigners get shut out of the biggest tournament, it's a black mark for that line of thought.
This, a thousand times this. I remember everyone saying that this time around SCII would be an esport for the world rather than just for Koreans, something which a lot of people used against BW. Well, off to a wonderful start aren't we.
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' Koreans don't have a genetic advantage in BW. Foreigners can catch up easily. '
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On September 22 2010 10:58 Ack1027 wrote:
' Koreans don't have a genetic advantage in BW. Foreigners can catch up easily. '
Foreigners are lazy when it comes down to mass quality practice :/
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3 non-koreans in a tournament of 64. Given no national bias, it'd be extremely unlikely for a non-korean to win or even get extremely far. The GSL so far has shown non-korean players are easily capable at being competitive in the korean scene, and that a good number of the korean players are worse players.
Yes, there's less interest now that more known players are gone, but it's a new scene and the familiar faces have to develop through exposure and results.
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NaDa took a game off TLO in an already close series.
That's HUGE if you think how much TLO, a top foreigner, has/had practiced at that point in comparison to Nada.
I think foreigners have a very real chance at beating Koreans in sc2, but we'll have to see which teams send their players out for the next GSL. dimaga, sen (if he counts), demuslim, etc would do very very well imo
having all the foreigners out of the gsl isn't surprising given the size of it (only 3 foreigners total, it'd be surprising if they did get through barring some huge skill differential). im still watching because cool, tester, etc, are just amazing players that are worth watching, even if it is sc2.
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On September 22 2010 11:03 Elegy wrote:
NaDa took a game off TLO in an already close series.
That's HUGE if you think how much TLO, a top foreigner, has/had practiced at that point in comparison to Nada.
You mean the game where TLO massed nukes? In a series where games 1 and 3 (and the aborted game 1) were utterly one-sided? During a showmatch?
This is not huge. Savior also took a game off Flash in an all-stars showmatch, that sure didn't mean his ZvT was soaring.
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gsl is on from 7pm-10pm in australia. i can guarantee that we will be more dedicated in watching the gsl than the americans bahhahaha . . .
anyways. alot of bw ppl watch the vods of their events the next day but i guess that is much harder for GSL
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On September 22 2010 11:29 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 11:03 Elegy wrote:
NaDa took a game off TLO in an already close series.
That's HUGE if you think how much TLO, a top foreigner, has/had practiced at that point in comparison to Nada. You mean the game where TLO massed nukes? In a series where games 1 and 3 (and the aborted game 1) were utterly one-sided? During a showmatch? This is not huge. Savior also took a game off Flash in an all-stars showmatch, that sure didn't mean his ZvT was soaring.
Don't forget how Nal_ra took a game off Flash in practice and still can't get through the preliminaries.
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Features of the GSL:
Low skill ceiling
Lag
Only get to see huge balls of units 1a into each other
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EPT
