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Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 05:15:31
September 16 2010 02:42 GMT
#1
Nvm gonna wait til I can type up a guide.

Mods please delete.

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Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
September 16 2010 03:00 GMT
#2
Interesting idea. When do you add more gateways? I'm just curious because that's what I was looking for and it turns out it was the only thing I didn't see
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Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
September 16 2010 03:05 GMT
#3
On September 16 2010 12:00 Chaos wrote:
Interesting idea. When do you add more gateways? I'm just curious because that's what I was looking for and it turns out it was the only thing I didn't see


If they're going something like 1-1-1, an FE themself, etc I think I stay on one gateway until after I've expanded, if I feel pressure coming I get a second one while robo is building. Then I just add gateways as I have the minerals
coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
September 16 2010 03:16 GMT
#4
I would recommend to expand bit early or bit later, seems that you are expanding right to the 6 minutes mark, by that time a competent 3 raxed terran will steamroll you unless you cast some hero sentry FF


I opt for the first one. I expand at 23 against terran, that is just after my first stalker (skipping zealot) and after poking his ramp with my very first stalker I decide between robo (if I see rax with tech lab) or 2 more gateways (if I see reactor)

Its pretty solid, you need a lot of zealots to shield your stalker/immortal, and after your expo kicks in you can do pretty much anything you want.
Jävla skit
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
September 16 2010 03:29 GMT
#5
On September 16 2010 12:16 coltrane wrote:
I would recommend to expand bit early or bit later, seems that you are expanding right to the 6 minutes mark, by that time a competent 3 raxed terran will steamroll you unless you cast some hero sentry FF


I opt for the first one. I expand at 23 against terran, that is just after my first stalker (skipping zealot) and after poking his ramp with my very first stalker I decide between robo (if I see rax with tech lab) or 2 more gateways (if I see reactor)

Its pretty solid, you need a lot of zealots to shield your stalker/immortal, and after your expo kicks in you can do pretty much anything you want.

I have similar concerns. That expo timing is ~= 3 rax, and ~= two rax ghost push time period.
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
September 16 2010 03:43 GMT
#6
Honestly it was hard for me to make this post because I really just play game by plan with very little focus on build orders before the early game (yeah I'm gonna work on this eventually).

I think I DO expand later if I scout a 3rax. Keep in mind I have an obs as fast as humanly possible.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 04:05:01
September 16 2010 04:03 GMT
#7
This doesn't seem viable, 1 gate -> robo + obs -> twilight + charge tech -> expo. Just seems to rely on your opponent being bad/incredibly passive. You'll pretty much die to any sort of aggression. Please post reps.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
September 16 2010 04:08 GMT
#8
I thought this was SC:BW until i read "immortal." =(
Nice build nonetheless, though. I typically prefer builds that favor expanding fast, since I'm more of an economic player than aggressive =P
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
September 16 2010 04:13 GMT
#9
On September 16 2010 13:03 Scarecrow wrote:
This doesn't seem viable, 1 gate -> robo + obs -> twilight + charge tech -> expo. Just seems to rely on your opponent being bad/incredibly passive. You'll pretty much die to any sort of aggression. Please post reps.


Silly question, but what's the best way for me to provide replays?
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