EPTThe SC2 hate - Page 2
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The PWNion
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 14 2010 09:17 Mastermind wrote: This thread seems really out of place. I dont understand the need for it at all. this is a blog, isn't the point of a blog the fact that I get to get things off my chest and out there and people get to comment on it if they so choose? | ||
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On September 14 2010 09:24 seRapH wrote: if your favorite pastime for the past 12, 10, 5, or even single year is being eaten alive you'd feel bitter. its (mostly) misplaced blame, but it has to go somewhere, and blizzard is often seen as a single entity with sc2. I played BW since Day 1 and am not bitter in the least. BW was my favorite game for 12 years straight. But it has run it's course. Nothing wrong with something new. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 14 2010 09:24 seRapH wrote: if your favorite pastime for the past 12, 10, 5, or even single year is being eaten alive you'd feel bitter. its (mostly) misplaced blame, but it has to go somewhere, and blizzard is often seen as a single entity with sc2. just because i've only recently discovered TL.net does not mean that I haven't loved SC forever. I got it when i was like 10, and i have played it alot since then, I use to play like once a year for a few months and only once i found TL did i get serious about it. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
On September 14 2010 09:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I played BW since Day 1 and am not bitter in the least. BW was my favorite game for 12 years straight. But it has run it's course. Nothing wrong with something new. imagine a stereotypical old woman knitting. sewing machines are invented. is she going to switch? imagine a man who's played rugby since high school, and now he's 40 with a family. football is getting bigger, is he going to switch? imagine a guitarist who's played the same acoustic guitar throughout college. electric guitars are invented, is he going to switch? | ||
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
It's rather inevitable there'd be lots of butthurt players on both sides. So in response to the OP, just brush off the hate. E-sports will continue to exist, even if the professional scene weakens tremendously. I think SSBM/SSBB as well as the street fighter games are a really good case in point. The games will find their niche audience, and esports will continue to stun us all. I for one am hopeful. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On September 14 2010 08:45 PlaGuE_R wrote: it's great that it's out, it's a new, totally different game, it's got great potential as showcased by many of the top tier players who've only just started to play around with as many possibilities as they can, and it's bringing a magnifying glass over the e-sports scene. Don't you guys want e-sports to be huge? well, guess what, if it becomes huge in the west, it won't be because of BW, cuz that's been going on for 10 years. What we need is fresh blood, wouldn't it be AWESOME to have leagues HERE for BW and SC2? or even just for SC2? giving true potential to e-sports outside korea. If e-sports becomes huge in West, it won't be due to SC2 either. I've seen few past leagues outside of Korea for many reasons. When I watched ESL (IdrA vs Demuslim), I saw a potential. A potential for a game to succeed. Despite what everyone else said, it seemed like SC2 was quite enjoyable with various strategies, counters, controls etc. And then I tuned into MLG, looking for the same potential that I saw in ESL. Instead, all I see is mediocre plays, bad unit controls, horrible placement/build orders etc. To sum everything up in one word: crap. I don't even know how some people from that tournament considers themselves to be good enough to play at a professional level; it was like watching 60 ROCKs playing against each other. Horrible Cheesy games that were at least bearable due to day[9] casting. SC2 has some potential, with some fixes that I think are required (seriously, why do we see ball vs ball all day? It's like watching 2 soccer balls moving through a map, and each player is trying to score the ball into the opponent's main. And no, don't compare the balls to recall; it's a completely different issue here). However, with the given gameplay at the moment and what the players are considering themselves to be (it was like some D player from iCCup playing in a WCG qualifier just so that he can be called a 'progamer'), I don't see it succeeding. Gom's actually doing a good job with GSL. Although foreigner participation is limited (due to the fact that the players have to stay in Korea), they are giving everyone a chance to become part of a huge tournament, and selects the players through a huge open tournament. This means, unlike some tournaments, only best of the best will end up on Ro 64 and be televised. P.S. Every e-sports has a great community behind them. However, for SC2.... well, let me quote from my friend. Friend:i just went into the SC2 strategy section I will never be the same again me: why... Friend: well everyone was like "ohh sc2 forum is so bad and filled with retarded people" so i checked it out and needless to say, i raged me: why did you rage... Friend: the intelligence level of the posters is so low itsl ike "I base traded with a Terran 3 tiems today, and all he did wasl ift and remake his base. Lift buildings is imba!" He and I were joking few days ago about how we can reach high diamond and turn pro if we had SC2 with decent computer. But after thinking about it, I don't think it's a joke anymore. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:09 gamecrazy wrote: I'm glad that the OP has a very tolerant attitude, but the negative vibe of hate for players from both games comes from well.... players of BOTH games. SC2 players in the gretech/kespa thread don't see the merit in BW at all, and they'd much rather just have it dead. As a former BW player, I think that's a total affront to my pastime. SC2 is an amazing game and it can and should develop on its own merits. BW players should respect that despite the need to nitpick on certain weaker elements of the game, which have already been brought to bear esp. the lack of truly dynamic game-breaking spells. More than likely, we will see players grow and innovate, but as of right now, the old and the new are trying to fall into place. It's rather inevitable there'd be lots of butthurt players on both sides. So in response to the OP, just brush off the hate. E-sports will continue to exist, even if the professional scene weakens tremendously. I think SSBM/SSBB as well as the street fighter games are a really good case in point. The games will find their niche audience, and esports will continue to stun us all. I for one am hopeful. love your optimist view, it's too bad not everyone thinks the way you do!! butthurt players from both end are really annoying, i just wish the dust from the SC2 launch would settle so this hate we see stops and everything goes back to peaceful  | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
Then you see the events that have unfolded recently after years of fandom of PL, OSL, MSL and most importantly the players, only to watch professional SC1 and SC2 tear a lot of those establishments apart. I'm not blaming any party involved, but the fact of the matter is TL is based on SC1 and professional BW in Korea, KeSPA being horrible or not. I feel like people have forgotten where TL came from and it's going to rot from the inside out. This is coming from someone who has no ill-will towards this website or it's people (well, minus new posters who seem to only comment on 'balance issues'). TL;DR I can't stand new posters who have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to SC:BW and the development of a community over a game that yes, was hard to be good at. You want longevity? Or just some new units every year or so when the expansion pack comes out to get people to buy a game yet again? If you want longevity you need to foster an eSports community that's like a free market.. you can't monopolize the tournament scene in Korea, and monopolize the way people connect to each other (the ohsogreat BNet 2.0). How much of SC2's success is owed to professional BW in Korea and elsewhere, and how that sustained the game? Well, TL owes its existence to it... | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 14 2010 09:47 seRapH wrote: imagine a stereotypical old woman knitting. sewing machines are invented. is she going to switch? imagine a man who's played rugby since high school, and now he's 40 with a family. football is getting bigger, is he going to switch? imagine a guitarist who's played the same acoustic guitar throughout college. electric guitars are invented, is he going to switch? bad analogies, knitting and sewing arent the same, u cant knit with a sewing machine. someone who's played rugby has no reason to associate with football in the first place. any and every guitarists plays both accoustic and electric because the range is bigger and you can get different sounds from each. and just like scbw and sc2, no-one's asking you to switch, if you dont want to then dont. people who try to make you do it are idiots. I wish that whole kespa/gretech thing wud just end and scbw and sc2 co-exist as e-sports (dont we all?) oh and to the guy who said that watching SC2 is like watching D level ICCUP, um, HELLO!!? the game is a MONTH old! that is exactly the kind of idiotic statement that adds fuel to the fires | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:50 PlaGuE_R wrote: oh and to the guy who said that watching SC2 is like watching D level ICCUP, um, HELLO!!? the game is a MONTH old! that is exactly the kind of idiotic statement that adds fuel to the fires I'm sorry, I thought we were here to state our opinions, not to bash at someone who says 'D is like Diamond on SC2' If I'm adding the fuels to the fires, then so be it. Because it's only telling me that you never read the whole argument; you only skipped to your favorite section (a.k.a. majority of SC2 players are D blahblah), then bashed on me using that. Oh, and a month old or not, people with 70 APM considering themselves to be pro is ridiculous. | ||
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:14 supernovamaniac wrote: He and I were joking few days ago about how we can reach high diamond and turn pro if we had SC2 with decent computer. But after thinking about it, I don't think it's a joke anymore. I don't see how you get that you could become pro because the SC2 Strategy section is a little ridiculous sometimes. Being pro in anything is a very hard and serious commitment. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:21 bias- wrote: So imagine you play SC1 since the 9th grade of high school. Then you discover TL and find the niche community with a lot of well-educated and pleasant people (for the most part) revolving around a game you like/love. They all seem to appreciate the knowledge base TL has and respect for the game of SC:BW. Then you see the events that have unfolded recently after years of fandom of PL, OSL, MSL and most importantly the players, only to watch professional SC1 and SC2 tear a lot of those establishments apart. I'm not blaming any party involved, but the fact of the matter is TL is based on SC1 and professional BW in Korea, KeSPA being horrible or not. I feel like people have forgotten where TL came from and it's going to rot from the inside out. This is coming from someone who has no ill-will towards this website or it's people (well, minus new posters who seem to only comment on 'balance issues'). TL;DR I can't stand new posters who have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to SC:BW and the development of a community over a game that yes, was hard to be good at. You want longevity? Or just some new units every year or so when the expansion pack comes out to get people to buy a game yet again? If you want longevity you need to foster an eSports community that's like a free market.. you can't monopolize the tournament scene in Korea, and monopolize the way people connect to each other (the ohsogreat BNet 2.0). How much of SC2's success is owed to professional BW in Korea and elsewhere, and how that sustained the game? Well, TL owes its existence to it... I agree. I'm glad that the Liquid clan can have a second life thanks to SC2. I don't really hate SC2, but I hate what it implies for the BW scene, and I hate what Blizzard is doing in Korea, so I'm boycotting this game. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On September 14 2010 11:00 Terrakin wrote: I don't see how you get that you could become pro because the SC2 Strategy section is a little ridiculous sometimes. Being pro in anything is a very hard and serious commitment. The conversation that I had few days ago took place before my friend visited the SC2 Strategy section after watching some FPVODs on some people who considered themselves 'good' at the game. | ||
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
What I dislike are these new lil SC2 kiddies who disrespect BW, and think they are great gamers just cause they can reach some level of diamond. | ||
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