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OMG ALREADY! guys, we know BW is more technical, we know it's harder, we know you need more apm, we know MBS and Auto-mine and infinity control groubs are waaay easier then how it was in BW. Anyone who's ever played both knows this already. And anyone who hasn't well they do now cuz of the amount of pure bitching and raging that are on any blogs or the general forums where SC2 forum posters and BW forum posters have the misfortune to cross paths.
WE KNOW YOU HATE IT! but really, this is 2010 now, Starcraft II IS out wether you like it or not, if you want to stick with BW then that's awesome, that's great, I hope you do because I'm a big BW fan, never had the APM to be great but i was a solid D/D- and I never ever ever want it to die. But seriously, why do you guys put down anyone who ever mentions SC2? it's great that it's out, it's a new, totally different game, it's got great potential as showcased by many of the top tier players who've only just started to play around with as many possibilities as they can, and it's bringing a magnifying glass over the e-sports scene. Don't you guys want e-sports to be huge? well, guess what, if it becomes huge in the west, it won't be because of BW, cuz that's been going on for 10 years. What we need is fresh blood, wouldn't it be AWESOME to have leagues HERE for BW and SC2? or even just for SC2? giving true potential to e-sports outside korea.
Anyways, little rant here cuz im just sick and tired of moronic one line post that say crap like 'lol, nub, play bw or stfu' or some stupid crap like that doesnt bring anything but a potential flame war to threads. We don't come on TL to argue which game is better, they are BOTH great IMO. some SC2 players disagree, some BW players disagree. So let's all agree to disagree, we don't need to flame one another, as far as I'm concerned we all love e-sports and the Korean pro-scene wether it be the GSL for some or the OSL/MSL/Proleague for others. We love these games, both, individually, but we do NOT need to insult each other over the games we play.
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Thank you for posting this for me.
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Do you seriously think that all of TL hates SC2? Or even a majority?
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I'm not sure why, but I really do feel compelled to click on blogs even though I know what's going to be inside them.
Then, when I get in here, I hate myself.
This whole debate has been done to death :/ It's disappointing to go around in circles over and over.
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SC2 being 'too easy' is a bullshit excuse for people to just hate. The game is pretty hard and deep as it is. Do people honestly think they'll be disadvantaged because of the lower skill ceiling? To me, just sounds like people making excuses that BW carry overs might lose to fresh RTS players because it's easier.
How many amazing players are there right now in SC2? Not that many... You can tell the difference between true gosus like tester and just another high ranked ladder player.
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I dont think its reasonable to go into an BW thread and go "FLASH SHOULD GO TO SC2 CAUSE BW SUCKSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" or "SC2 is so much better this... look at the imbalance of terran in BW!!!!"
I really only see SC2ers being derailed if they do something obnoxious as that (most were warned/banned too)
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i think a lot of us who are primarily concerned with BW feel that the community is putting BW out to pasture before it's really necessary. In some ways I guess those who really care about it don't want to see it die a sad and slow death, but would rather it go out in some dignified manner by passing the torch to SC2. For me, I'll wait until I find SC2 entertaining to watch, but the way I see it right now is that the game is experiencing a mini-boom because of its newness, and the actually redeeming qualities of the game are a bit hard to gauge at the moment. Most people on this website don't "flame" eachother anyway, but I think the defensiveness of BW-focused people is justified due to the game's heritage vis-a-vis the novelty of SC2.
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All I know is that people who don't share my exact personal past times are boring scrubs with no skills.
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I don't have a problem at all with the things that make SC2 "easy", like MBS, automine, etc.
The problem I have is the way that Blizzard is going about their balancing of the game and how simplistic all of the new units are. First off, the maps are absolutely horrid. They disallow for any kind of safe economic play whatsoever. You're forced to be aggressive off of one base, or else you lose if you do any kind of economic opening at all. Expanding on that, there are hardly any decent spellcasters in the game, and there are hardly any units that can be used defensively to allow you to fast expand, fast tech, etc.
This TL article pretty much describes why I still can't bring myself to like SC2 more than BW so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120471
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could you show some examples of said behavior? are you reading the sc:bw forum or something?
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On September 14 2010 08:58 Teogamer wrote:
All I know is that people who don't share my exact personal past times are boring scrubs with no skills.
my thoughts exactly
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I don't hate SC2, it's just that I don't like part of the crowd that it attracted. By this I mean people who spew ignorant statements in response to both BW and SC2, and those who bm on a regular basis.
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I hate blizzard and gretech.
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I agree with the majority of your post about people who aren't willing to accept SC2. The only think I don't really like is how the opening screams something along the lines of "FINE, YOU'RE RIGHT. I AGREE MR. OH SO RIGHTEOUS ONE. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? I DON'T EVEN CARE". To me it just feels like an ignorant thing to say in an argument/debate. It shows you lost your cool, which is not something that backs your argument.
edit: I know this is a rant and not some well thought out proof-read essay, but just throwing my thoughts out there.
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I'm not saying that ALL TL hate starcraft 2 or that even a majority of TLers do, I'm saying it's really obnoxious to be going through a thread or a blog and have that snide, derogatory comment thrown in there by someone, FOR NO REASON.
Like I said, I love both games, and loving one more then the other or loving one and dislking/hating the other does not mean that you get a viable to be unpleasant. For some people Starcraft 2 IS their gateway into competitive RTS. Some people hear of this amazing website, and this amazing community which, literally, it took me an hour at most to absolutely fall in love with TL and just adore everything in it, and love how kind and how supportive people on here are. But ever since SC2 came out it seems that some people are just really bitter, because their, im gonna say childhood even tho it may not be really accurate, love is being replaced slowly but surely.
And yes, I also am sad to see BW go little by little, I'm sad that the skill ceiling is lower in ways, but I love that these added touches to this new game, like auto-mine and MBS, in the long run, that will help a different layer to the game entirely, where we will see things that are just amazing from people that put a lot of thought into their play, but don't necessarily have the hand speed required to do it in BW which is so much harder to master and so much technical.
so yes, you can look at this and say that it's a useless blog, that it's a useless post, that you've seen it a trillion times before. Even if it has been posted before, it's obviously not gotten the message across, there's no need to be obnoxious or anything (i actually mean desagreable, but cant find the english word for it) about someone preferring SC2.
plus wat if a newbie comes on to TL and wants to learn and share his SC2 passion with all of us, what if he stumbles upon of those threads, where someone has to say something derogatory and then someone agrees and, like, pokes their BW only pals to come post more grievances they have with SC2 and then that little newbie (i feel noob and newbie are two very very different terms btw) decides that, you know what? he won't register to this community and you know what else? he'll miss a hell of a community and he'll miss meeting some great people and he's the one thats gonna be punished for it, just because he can stumble onto the wrong thread.
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We know SC2 has better graphics, we know SC2 has more tourney money for foreigners, we know you want everyone to worship SC2. WE DON'T CARE AND DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!
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On September 14 2010 09:10 tryummm wrote:
We know SC2 has better graphics, we know SC2 has more tourney money for foreigners, we know you want everyone to worship SC2. WE DON'T CARE AND DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!
trolling yeaaah
I'm more concerned because a lot of the people doing this are otherwise reasonable veterans of TL. Random people spewing caps-locked garbage about BW is one thing but people with thousands of posts writing massive diatribes about SC2 fans is another.
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On September 14 2010 09:10 tryummm wrote:
We know SC2 has better graphics, we know SC2 has more tourney money for foreigners, we know you want everyone to worship SC2. WE DON'T CARE AND DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!
do you even see the ignorance in this? I'm not trying to bring down BW or raise SC2 up, like i said multiple time, I love both games. What I'm saying is that YES we've heard your grievances but what the hell do you want us to do? boycott it? turn back time to like 2007 and kill Dusting Browder? there's nothing TO do really. One day you'll have to accept it that the starcraft scene is shifting towards SC2
On September 14 2010 09:07 Grobyc wrote:
I agree with the majority of your post about people who aren't willing to accept SC2. The only think I don't really like is how the opening screams something along the lines of "FINE, YOU'RE RIGHT. I AGREE MR. OH SO RIGHTEOUS ONE. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? I DON'T EVEN CARE". To me it just feels like an ignorant thing to say in an argument/debate. It shows you lost your cool, which is not something that backs your argument.
edit: I know this is a rant and not some well thought out proof-read essay, but just throwing my thoughts out there.
Grobyc, I know what you're saying, and yes I did lose my cool there a little, I started off with a strong temper but then I did calm down and just wanted to get some of these points across. Nothing is static, nothing is permanent, organisms evolve, the earth changes around us, the sun will die out one day, and Starcraft: Brood War will be replaced sooner or later.
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On September 14 2010 09:07 blahman3344 wrote:
I don't hate SC2, it's just that I don't like part of the crowd that it attracted. By this I mean people who spew ignorant statements in response to both BW and SC2, and those who bm on a regular basis.
this. But really these kind of people come with any game, it's just that TL has had a huge influx in its population so naturally you're gonna attract every whacko possible, like even the people that will some day only visit gosugamers are still here for the moment cause they've yet to be banned.
I really really hate how many tards it has brought it too, but to get a huge following unfortunately even the bm idiot has to like it cause there's alot of them out there. But tl is doing a decent job and slamming those people into their place.
It also naturally does this because of the trend of games becoming more mechanically simple to attract more people, just like everything else in technology!
I hope by the end of the year though that the sc2 forum will be cleaned up alot more because it's an ongoing and painful looking process lol, i cant even read that part of the forums for fear of overwhelming rage.
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This thread seems really out of place. I dont understand the need for it at all.
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