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10 Beginner's Tips to Getting Out of Bronze - Page 2

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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
August 22 2010 19:44 GMT
#21
The word Bronze in the title is pretty much interchangeable with D or D+ in a Brood War sense, in that all of the advice is essentially the same
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
August 22 2010 23:24 GMT
#22
On August 23 2010 04:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The word Bronze in the title is pretty much interchangeable with D or D+ in a Brood War sense, in that all of the advice is essentially the same

the word bronze is interchangeable with a 200~ point high on iccup.

silver is maybe a low D-. gold is a D-. platinum could be a low D.
boomer hands
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 22 2010 23:42 GMT
#23
On August 23 2010 04:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The word Bronze in the title is pretty much interchangeable with D or D+ in a Brood War sense, in that all of the advice is essentially the same

A bronze player could never even get close to D+... To get D+ you have to beat a couple of people who can play - sort of... If you're actually a bronze player, you have no understanding of the game at all, which is fine because it's basically the learning league.

If you just have a semi decent build order and you know to make workers constantly you get in Gold+ right away.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
August 23 2010 01:40 GMT
#24
I wasn't really referring to the skill equivalence, and I'm definitely not one to comment on it as the only Starcraft 2 I've played was the first mission on Brutal. I was more referring to how the advice that's being given is all pretty much identical to what you'd have found in the Brood War strategy forum any time a D player posted a replay :p
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ohaicami
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States103 Posts
August 24 2010 09:17 GMT
#25
*** sorry for late replies, i was out partying this weekend lol, i tried to reply to everyone ***

On August 22 2010 23:55 ThunderGod wrote:
2a: Use the minimap to see incoming attacks etc and keep tabs on your armies.


Good Idea! Added
Let me know if you don't want to be tagged.

On August 23 2010 00:07 setanta wrote:
okay so if you do 1 and 2 (and perhaps 6) properly you're easily in diamond league


Lol, probably. But I haven't even gotten close to touching Diamond, so I wouldn't know.

On August 23 2010 00:17 dcberkeley wrote:
There's a copper league?

I thought it was bronze - diamond?


For beta they only had Copper - Platinum and I think the Professional league.

On August 23 2010 00:20 Inzek wrote:
mostly agree...
have a gameplan when game is loading... (for this need to know match up, etc)
keep building scv, probes (tricky with zerg)
try to keep resources down
upgrade
do something



Do something. VERY important ;P

On August 23 2010 01:08 N3rV[Green] wrote:
a little fix to your micro part though....one of the biggest steps of learning is learning that your units will take care of themselves for the few seconds you need to go back to base and make more shit.

NEVER baby sit and watch an ENTIRE battle. Hop back and forth, doing what little things can be done.

For example, you need to split and run away roaches so they dont take too much damage. so after you split one or two off use some hotkeys or jump back to the base, do some things, and then come back to the split up roaches and do what is needed.


Ah good point, except that I find a lot of people manage their base/production using hotkeys which means they never really have to leave the battle at all. I'll add something about never leaving them alone, unless you know they can take care of themselves. Let me know if you don't want to be tagged. Thank you for the suggestion!

On August 23 2010 01:26 Impervious wrote:
As a struggling Terran player, I suggest you look at Trump's stream and VODs (if you haven't already). He is really, really good, and offers a really in-depth view on the games he's commentated.

Congrats on getting out of Copper. It won't take long to get Platinum, and from there, Diamond.

PS - I also think you need mention that you need to make sure you have some kind of plan. IE - I want to go for a 1/1/1 build into expand, then get a 2nd starport and more factories and go for a mech/air style of play. Sure, there will be adjustments needed, but having that plan in your mind will make it much easier to execute and make those decisions take less time. It definitely fits in with the "scout with a purpose" part, but is not quite the same. It's more like "scouting is part of the plan" imo.....


Thanks, and Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go ahead and add it in Let me know if you don't want to be tagged, I don't feel like taking full credit for the idea or anything.
Oh, and no I haven't watched any of his streams, but definitely will now!

On August 23 2010 03:04 Lemonwalrus wrote:
So I bought sc2 a week ago and played my placement matches without ever having watched a stream or played the missions or the a.i. I went 2-3 and placed bronze.

Since then I have started to learn what some of the new units are/do and have laddered to high gold in ~30 games. (as zerg.)

I have learned that in order to beat bronze/silver/most gold players, you simply need to scout for cheese and expand like a greedy whore.

No amount of micro is going to give a 1 base turtle the win over a 4 base zerg with modest macro. And bronze/silver/gold players seem completely content to sit in their base and tech to vikings/voids/something else they think will win them the game while you take your natural and 2 more expos. As long as you scout enough to avoid losing on tech alone and to keep them from taking an expansion themselves you should be fine.


Congrats on making it out of Bronze. It really starts to get better because you KNOW you're playing the right people. Expanding like a greedy whore is definitely key. I actually moved up in 2v2 - Bronze to Silver just because I managed to expand AND take out their expansions.

On August 23 2010 03:21 Loser777 wrote:
random question @ OP, are you from norcal O_o?


Naww, but I've got HELLA friends in NorCal ;D

On August 23 2010 04:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The word Bronze in the title is pretty much interchangeable with D or D+ in a Brood War sense, in that all of the advice is essentially the same


Oh, that's flattering, actually. But, I don't consider myself a very good BW player, or even a BW player at all. I played a total of three months during a summer where I was stuck visiting family in the Philippines and the local LAN center only had BW and CS:1.6 ... SOoOoooo, I'd rather just leave it. But thanks a lot!

On August 23 2010 08:42 Djzapz wrote:

A bronze player could never even get close to D+... To get D+ you have to beat a couple of people who can play - sort of... If you're actually a bronze player, you have no understanding of the game at all, which is fine because it's basically the learning league.

If you just have a semi decent build order and you know to make workers constantly you get in Gold+ right away.


Actually, I figured this out the other day about Bronze-Platinum...
Bronze - an extension of the Practice League
Silver - finally realizing how to use their units and handling the basic strats
Gold - having a fuller understanding of the game and developing an appetitie to learn
Platinum - extremely knowledagable about the game as a whole with confidence and proper game play
Diamond - just really good mother fuckers

lol, not serious at all, but it's pretty close imo.
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RushGG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom212 Posts
August 24 2010 09:35 GMT
#26
Nice post, expanding is my downfall, i just always forget to do it O_O
I also forget to macro when I get involved with micro, although i'm getting better at that..
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ohaicami
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States103 Posts
August 25 2010 07:21 GMT
#27
On August 24 2010 18:35 CurZed wrote:
Nice post, expanding is my downfall, i just always forget to do it O_O
I also forget to macro when I get involved with micro, although i'm getting better at that..


What I've started to do is practice on both every other night. For example, last night I was really working on my Macro game. Even if it meant throwing my Micro, I would continually just play my matches with more Macro related goals, for example expanding at least one more than my opponent. Tonight, I'm going to try to work more on my Micro skills (which are rather terrible). That way I can familiarize myself more in what I am actually doing.

I don't know if that helps, but it's what I've been doing.
Appetitus Rationi Pareat - Cicero (Let your desires be ruled by reason.)
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
August 25 2010 14:54 GMT
#28
I think the bronze-diamond continuum has to be put into context. For people who didn't play much BW or RTS in general, what you said is probably pretty accurate.
impatience is a virtue
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1244 Posts
August 25 2010 15:24 GMT
#29
From what I can see, most low tier diamonds still struggle with 1, 5, and 6
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
August 25 2010 15:45 GMT
#30
Nice effort here, good overview for beginners.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
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