EPTSC2 in Korea; Problems and More - Page 7
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leonghk12
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Cade
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
I never considered the "it needs to be everywhere first for the competitive scene to form" but upon reflection I can't imagine what else I could have thought. Of course Blizzard will just say to give it time... | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:58 san-tokie wrote: I think the only way GOM can succeed with SC2 is getting some star players from SC1. It would have been controversial but they could have recruited Savior Upmagic Hwasin? It's too bad they've already decided to ban all players involved with the scandal. I think bringing those players involved with the scandal would be detrimental for them. Maybe players like Boxer will do. | ||
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Durak
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Zurles
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junkacc
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Which game has more players? CS1.6 (200k) vs CSS (50k) -- including pirated versions Which game has the more prestigious competitions? CS1.6 "The game isnt even out for 2 weeks" argument holds no water. It's not like they have to build up brand recognition. Industry experts in Korea have already stated the first week pretty much decides a game's fate and that they are dissappointed with SC2's performance. Besides, if Activision sees that their plan is working, they'll pull the same shit they did for MW2 and WoW. You may think it's ok if SC2 only fails in Korea and the rest of the world sees SC2 e-sports taking off but given the track record of Activision, SC2 needs to fail for the sake of gamers everywhere. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On August 08 2010 23:07 BertSC2 wrote: You, my dear people, are truly fools. Now ur wondering: "what makes us fools?" It's my pleasure to answer u this question... you, dear people, are fools for even creating this thread (MrHoon), worrying about such stuff, discussing, blaming blizzard and all this. The game isnt even out for 2 weeks and based on the LITTLE information that you pple have, u start making assumptions on how this game is going to fail in SK. In case you didn't know, people love to analyze, talk and make predictions, even with lack of data. On August 08 2010 23:07 BertSC2 wrote: blizzards influence is way bigger on the people (on the pple in SK as well, yes) than kespa's. errr...really? We all know this is not the Blizzard of old but Activision-Blizzard. | ||
Milkis
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First of all, even if they don't sell everyone copies of their new game right away, one thing they do is plant it in their memories for later. 1) Like Starcraft 2 won't be in their memories even without all the advertisment? 2) That's all well said if the memories are good or even neutral. Where's the guarantee that it'll be actually a positive memory? 3) If they're not going to pay for it when it's free right now, why do you think they may pay for it later? Secondly Koreans are totally fad-oriented. So what if it wasn't what they hoped and the fad began as soon as the game out, that doesn't mean it still can't happen later. Again, why would there be a "fad" for SC2? Is there any reason other than "Nationalism" or the unlikely scenario of Boxer swapping to promote SC2? There's a lot of variables that needs to be there for a fad to start and SC2 does not meet many of them. If there's one thing I've learned about Koreans is they have their national pride and everyone can instantly start loving something they had no previous knowledge of before (this has been demonstrated time and time again with olympics and yes I realize you can't really compare gaming to olympics realistically but it does show the Koreans' incliations). Imagine a Korean team winning the first worldwide tournament. Blizzard will be saying 'Gg KESPA' as shelves at gamestores are emptied. Or imagine Blizzard getting some key names like Boxer to abandon ties to KESPA and go on a massive advertising campaign for SC2. Doesn't mean Koreans can't recognize trash. Yeah, D-War sold well, but.... I'm sure every Korean knows how trashy it was. Yeah, we all know how Kim Yu-na singlehandedly saved Figure Skating in Korea. But remember, she's a special exception. There's a lot of events Korea has been constantly winning in Olympics and there isn't much interest in them. There wasn't a sudden boom of Handball after the Women's team won back then. Kim Yu-na is literally called "Korea's national daughter". No one is going to be saying anything remotely to that for Starcraft 2. Yeah, Koreans in Starcraft 2 can win as many events as they want. But I honestly doubt anyone is going to start picking it up just cause Korea won some tournament. What actually matters is people putting together quality content for Starcraft 2, to have casuals watch it and go "Hey this is kinda fun to watch". GomTV is the worst candidate in the world to make that happen. You're also wrong about sponsors. The reason why people sponsor Starcraft is that it connects them with the younger generations that actually watch Starcraft. Corporations have to be absolute fools to advertise aiming only at the small minority who would play Starcraft 2, no matter how big it gets in the foreign world. Do you really think casuals will play and watch Starcraft 2 a year down the line? Doubtful. There's very little reasons why there'll be sponsors even if it becomes big outside Korea. Why would that mean KOREAN COMPANIES sponsor them just because it's popular out of Korea? Why does that mean it "crawls" back into the mainstream? It just means that a few highly competitive players will be keep playing the game, it doesnt mean that casuals will watch it and enjoy it -_- | ||
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BertSC2
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 08 2010 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote: I think bringing those players involved with the scandal would be detrimental for them. Maybe players like Boxer will do. Too bad that players like Boxer all have a place as leader figures within their own teams, or if not that, as commentators. Oldschool players with a good degree of success aren't going to SC2. Neither is anyone with a decent salary. I don't think anyone wants to try to live off of prize money. | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
It's funny how you are making the exact same argument. Seems like people are already making excuses for SC2 failure. | ||
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BertSC2
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dasanivan
United States532 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:21 MrHoon wrote: You went to COEX in the Samsung District, one of the most populated places inside Seoul, a place where if you go to the weekends you literally choke to death and a place where you have to reserve movie tickets 4 days before or you sit in the front, has a huge clothing mall shop and 2 hotels connected to it, tens of grand halls for weddings/conventions/art galleries, and found that alot of people are playing starcraft? Call me crazy but if I slap 20 computers with SC2 installed in the middle of manhattan I bet I can get twice the numbers. Also dasanivan, did you know SC2 can't even hit top 10 games in PCbangs in Korea? i never argued that SC2 is a mega hit, I just said people are enjoying it, which is a lot more accurate than saying than nobody cares or is interested in the game at all. i understand you want to drive in the point that SC2 hasn't made some sort of explosion into the scene, but your claims are misleading a lot of people. also, check your top 10 stats again. sure it's not number one but at least it's steadily gone up since first entering PC bangs and stands at 9 right now. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On August 08 2010 23:40 dasanivan wrote: i never argued that SC2 is a mega hit, I just said people are enjoying it, which is a lot more accurate than saying than nobody cares or is interested in the game at all. i understand you want to drive in the point that SC2 hasn't made some sort of explosion into the scene, but your claims are misleading a lot of people. also, check your top 10 stats again. sure it's not number one but at least it's steadily gone up since first entering PC bangs and stands at 9 right now. http://gametrics.com/ it does not stand in 9th, it's still not top 10 haha Also it hasn't steadily gone up. It has more to do with more computers installing SC2. When it first came out only like half of korean pc bangs had sc2 installed, i'm pretty sure it's close to 100% now. | ||
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Jefferino
United States69 Posts
I love how some of the last Brood War stragglers are hoping and praying that SC2 fails in South Korea. I hope you guys know that your only hope for the continuation of BW as an esport there is if SC2 sees some amount of success. Blizzard and their partner GOMTV basically have KeSPA by the balls right now. KeSPA isn't legally allowed to broadcast anything Starcraft and the OSL/MSL/Starleague basically run right now because Blizzard's lawyers are choosing to ignore it. What do you think will happen if SC2 doesn't catch on like Blizzard wants it to? Like the OP has mentioned, Blizzard has sank a huuge investment into SC2 for Korea (giant Raynors on frickin' airplanes and everything) and my guess is if SC2 doesn't perform as expected Blizzard will take drastic measures to help it out, even if it means gutting the SCBW scene there. 2. On SC2's success in Korea I never understood why we were so concerned with SC2's success in Korea in the first place, seeing as most of the users on this site are from North/South America and Europe. Yes, I understand and respect Korea as the granddaddy of the SC esports scene, but we have already seen that a game's success as an esport in Korea has no effect whatsoever on the western esports scene (e.g. SCBW). Add that to the fact that KeSPA et al. have been historically xenophobic and have no intentions of bringing esports to the west; they are perfectly content with their little empire in Korea. Now, if SC2 becomes wildly popular (which sales figures suggest) and becomes a major esport in the west (which I am hopeful for), I could care less about the SC2 scene in Korea. I'll be watching SC2 played by western gamers on channels/sites that speak my language. The Koreans could be burning their SC2 copies on the street for all I care. *edited for clarity | ||
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dasanivan
United States532 Posts
http://gamereport.netimo.net/grStat.html?view=grStatRank&act=trGame&ord= starcraft 2 at 3.9%, about half of bw. think whatever you want | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
I'm definitely curious about what future holds though. I hope SC2 succeeds, but Activision-Blizzard needs to change as well. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On August 08 2010 23:45 dasanivan wrote: meh, this is the statistics i'm using http://gamereport.netimo.net/grStat.html?view=grStatRank&act=trGame&ord= think whatever you want Only if we can get actual numbers off of it to compare how different it is  I was honestly checking gametrics daily for the last 3 days to see if GSL will finally allow it jump up in ranking, so I'm actually glad to see SC2 break top 10 in some chart somewhere. However, every news site I've seen used gametrics data so far. | ||
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dcberkeley
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