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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-27 17:13:11
June 27 2010 16:52 GMT
#1
It's exactly 1 month to StarCraft II where I live at the moment. And before I go to SC2 and leave a game I've been obsessing about for 10 years behind, I have to say, there's a lot of nostalgia for me about the good old days.

1. The Patches
Remember when the Spawning Pool cost 150 minerals? A turret 100? A Hatchery 350? Remember when people debated who was faster, a Terran Dropship or upgraded Overlords? (shit, I never found out the answer)? Remember when Disruption Web lasted forever and a half?

I mean, there's been at least 20 patches to the game, and I'm not saying it's for the worst. Especially after 1.08, the game's been nicely balanced. BUT it's sterile now. When you achieve perfection, it becomes a bit bland. It's at the point where, aside from bug fixes, changing the Siege Tank's health from 150 to 151 would receive a chorus of IMBA from the masses (And had Psionic Storm's damage not been reduced from 150 to 112, it WOULD truly be imba.)

Also, the patches kinda fuck up the campaign. Especially the cutscenes. Especially a single cutscene: Brood War Terran Mission 6.

In said mission, you begin with an arrowhead formation of Valkyries, who go in, rape all the mutalisks above a Zerg base and then you get dropships, buildings, and you build shit, and win. Just like normal. However, now that Dropships are relatively fast (FUCKERS) the tanks they drop die to the mutalisks. Instead of a well-executed invasion by the UED, it's a player with bad micromanagement. And you can't even save the tanks. I tried.

And the campaign is where it all begins.

2. The Campaign
Many on iCCup have not played campaign. I am well aware and assured that many, if not most of us on TL.net, can play through Campaign and win, because the AI doesn't compare anything to the real-life players we play each day.

On the other hand, I'd like to compare an IRL example: TV. We don't watch cartoons past a certain age because, we've grown up. Now we move on to Lost, South Park, and whatnot. But cartoons had a whole experience that makes you remember the good old days. And although we've grown up from the AI of Campaign, the nostalgic experience remains for those of us who played through it years ago.

3. The Maps
Also brimming in sterility is the maps. Remember when we all used StarEdit?

Take a look at some of the older maps. Even the tournament-grade ones (Lost Temple in particular) AREN'T SYMMETRICAL. That is, one can argue, people will have a greater advantage on one side than the other.

But on the other hand, this looks more natural, because, after all, StarCraft is a game of war. Even if Rommel's forces and Patton's forces met in the sands of Africa, each having a single prefab camp and four military builders, I don't think their battlefield is copy-cut-pasted to be exactly symmetrical so Hitler doesn't whine about how Rommel's ramp gave him an advantage.

Just take out some of the obvious imbalances (Again, LT, tankable ramps wtf), put in a good deal of symmetry, but don't have to resort to upside down ramps to make it so symmetrical (by the way, due to the way the camera is positioned, the upside down ramps AREN'T symmetrical)
that you can't spot imbalance.

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This is a ladder map. Can you tell?

But this isn't a rant thread about how shitty the balance is. Balance is good. But the thoughts about the glory days remain. You can't expect a baby to be contented if you gave it a grape lollipop, and then tore it out and gave it a strawberry lollipop instead. The baby might prefer the strawberry, but thoughts about the grape remain.

So, I encourage you all, if you can, DL StarCraft: Brood War on another computer, and don't patch it. Consider it a parting gift from Brood War for those of you going on to StarCraft II.

EDIT: As for myself, I have a Russian version of StarCraft (no BW) that is still at 1.00. I'm going to play that all day on July 26.

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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
June 27 2010 17:10 GMT
#2
Turrents used to cost 100 minerals, not 75

But i do agree with you that the game have gotten pretty stale, rarely are games enjoyable unless you are cheering for a certain player. Everything have been done, the game aren't as amazing as it was years ago when there were still new builds almost all the time and big differences in players styles and gameplay.

BW is a perfected game, it's stale but incredibly balanced. Not 100% balanced but it's very close, and probably the closest any game have ever gotten to perfection.

Starcraft II will be a new start, new stuff will come up all the time in the beginning of the game launch like back in the early BW days. Let's just hope Blizzard gets their shit together and adds all the necessary details (*cough* chat rooms *cough*) to make it a truly worthy successor of the first installment.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
June 27 2010 17:17 GMT
#3
On June 28 2010 01:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
We don't watch cartoons past a certain age because, we've grown up. Now we move on to Lost

You're off your nut.
My strategy is to fork people.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 27 2010 17:23 GMT
#4
On June 28 2010 02:17 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 01:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
We don't watch cartoons past a certain age because, we've grown up. Now we move on to Lost

You're off your nut.


YOU'LL BE SURPRISED

Seriously, I just picked a random primetime show.

Want to change it to Lie to Me or NCIS or something?
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
June 27 2010 17:25 GMT
#5
That would make more sense if you were explaining how Starcraft is stale so you moved on to Red Alert II.
My strategy is to fork people.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
June 27 2010 17:30 GMT
#6
thanks alot for this blog, many people who cry how sc2 isn't balanced actually and they think the game should be already perfect balance will think by 2 time bfr crying again

5 star man :D
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
June 27 2010 17:36 GMT
#7
This was a great reminder, but I'm still a bit sad you didn't rant complain about how boring-ass maps like Fighting Spirit killed originality in Starcraft.

Another major nostalgia was replays, I remember GETTING THE NEWEST PATCH OMG and watching a replay of a game I had just played versus my older brother and it was awesome

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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
June 27 2010 17:36 GMT
#8
the campaign was not fun. i played through all six episodes and didn't really get any enjoyment out of playing them.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 27 2010 17:39 GMT
#9
150 mineral spawning pools were the best lawl

and 80/80 zealots instead of 100/60
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
June 27 2010 17:40 GMT
#10
There's a library nearby that has 3 computers SCBW installed without patches (And they're not networked to even eachother so all you can do is campaign or play against AI) and it's... well, Battlecruisers take 8 supply man, 8 supply!
3.
OpRaider
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States307 Posts
June 27 2010 17:54 GMT
#11
On June 28 2010 02:17 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 01:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
We don't watch cartoons past a certain age because, we've grown up. Now we move on to Lost

You're off your nut.


and after lost he says South Park. Now correct me if im wrong, but isn't South Park a cartoon? :D
it is what it is -day9 airplane story
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
June 27 2010 18:55 GMT
#12
No south park is an animated television show, are you deaf?
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 27 2010 18:57 GMT
#13
By cartoons i mean the stuff kids watch like Spongebob. South Park is an adult show.
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dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
June 27 2010 19:36 GMT
#14

Nice little summary of starcraft through the ages :D I'm sure many people have seen it before, but it still fits in this thread.
Sup.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 27 2010 21:32 GMT
#15
Yeah. That's where i remembered about Missile Turrets, Dropships, and dweb.
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DarkSaieden
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
South Africa254 Posts
June 29 2010 00:00 GMT
#16
I dont think every iccup would win EVERY campaign map first try. The map where you have to kill the scientists actually takes some very careful planning.
Haha, i remember when scouts were 300/150 and awesome with their 28 damage air to air ^^
and dont forget lurker upgrade was 125/125 AND much faster to research lol
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