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Activision host an indie games contest...

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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
June 12 2010 21:12 GMT
#1
Sounds fine, right? Activision, finally giving something back? Maybe Kotick finally has a soul. And then you read the fine print.

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/06/Activision-Indie-Games-Competition

You may have heard that Activision is hosting an independent games competition, like a much higher stakes version of the Independent Games Festival. We've been getting messages from fans about it, encouraging us to enter. However, after reading the finalized terms, this seems to be an entirely different kind of competition: an indie game / business plan jam to create investment opportunities and world-exclusive development prototypes for Activision to profit from.

The competition is pretty polarizing: Many stories see it and immediately laud Activision for helping the indie community, while many stories are quick to trash it, noting dubious clauses in the fine print. As an indie developer, I thought I'd take a closer look myself.

Let's look at some of the terms for this competition, starting with the eligibility requirements:

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The Submission cannot have been submitted previously in a promotion of any kind or exhibited or displayed publicly through any means.


Activision's main site says that the contest is for completed or in-progress games. Are there really a bunch of indie games in the United States (the contest is limited to the US) that are in complete stealth mode?

As an advocate of open development, this makes me pretty sad. While this immediately disqualifies Overgrowth, and in fact, every indie game you've ever publicly heard of, I really hope it doesn't discourage people from being open about their games. It looks like Activision wants first dibs on exclusive, never-before-seen indie titles.

It is sort of amusing that a competition demands exclusivity from other competitions. Is that an anti-competitive competition?

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Must include an expected schedule, budget, team make up for development of the game, and execution plan.


Asking for this kind of business info seems a little weird, but I can see how this makes sense to Activision. This isn't really about highlighting indie games in the same way that the Independent Game Festival, Indie Game Challenge, and other contests do -- your business plan is included in the judging. This seems pretty irrelevant to the quality of a video game, but read on, and this becomes a little clearer.

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In order to be a Finalist, entrant must sign certain Submission documentation provided by Sponsor, which may include some or all of the following: release of claims against Sponsor; acknowledgement of Sponsor's development of game concepts that may be similar to entrant's Submission; first right of refusal to Sponsor for any development or publishing of Submission; agreement to provide Sponsor with splash/title/credits and logo credit similar to "funded in part by the Activision Independent Games Competition Prize 2010"; grant of name and likeness publicity rights to Sponsor; and full representations and warranties regarding the IP ownership of the Submission.


This is where it gets a little scary. To become a finalist, you may have to grant "first right of refusal to [Activision] for any development or publishing of Submission". If you're unfamiliar with the right of first refusal it basically means that you need to give the holder of the right of first refusal the option to have the same deal someone else has offered you first.

In other words, if Indie Fund, Valve, or [insert your favorite entity here] offers you "any development or publishing" for your game, whatever deal comes on the table, you must allow Activision the option to give you the same terms first. Only if Activision passes on that deal, are you legally allowed to follow up with the other entity.

Update! I received an email from someone I highly regard about this point. I may be confusing right of first refusal with first and last matching rights. I really recommend waiting until Activision clarifies these terms before seriously entering.

While this contest is getting lauded by many news outlets and sort of seems similar to other feel-good indie contests and festivals, as it stands, it's a bit dubious. It feels more like a hybrid of a business plan competition to get some investment capital from Activision. There's nothing wrong with that (although I wouldn't personally advise it) but just know what you're getting into first! This is very, very different from the Independent Game Festival or other contests that you hear about on indie sites like TIGSource.

I may be out of line, so if any indies are actually going to enter this, feel free to set me straight in the comments (don't mention your game or you will be disqualified though). I'd also be interested in hearing from someone from Activision to clarify these points.


Just a tad worrying on Activision's part.

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baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
June 12 2010 21:31 GMT
#2
some1 should submit StarCraft BW under a different name and see if they notice
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
June 12 2010 21:33 GMT
#3
On June 13 2010 06:31 baller wrote:
some1 should submit StarCraft BW under a different name and see if they notice


StarWars: BroodCraft ? sounds good.
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Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
June 12 2010 21:43 GMT
#4
Activision is pretty much the devil... Or atleast up there with EA.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
June 12 2010 21:47 GMT
#5
Reminds me of Canon photo competitions
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chiflutz
Profile Joined June 2006
Romania1025 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 22:01:07
June 12 2010 22:00 GMT
#6
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The Submission cannot have been submitted previously in a promotion of any kind or exhibited or displayed publicly through any means.


This I do not get, how many quality submissions do they expect to receive that adhere to that rule ?

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To become a finalist, you may have to grant "first right of refusal to [Activision] for any development or publishing of Submission."


This makes perfect sense, tho, I'd want to stand to make a profit from something like this too, if I were them. Come on, they're selling SC II as a 3-part game and people are suprised they're not simply "giving something back" with no strings attached ?
kt violet Korea (South). July 27 2012 15:54. Posts 23
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 12 2010 22:06 GMT
#7
On June 13 2010 06:43 Adeny wrote:
Activision is pretty much the devil... Or atleast up there with EA.

Activision is already worse than EA
blabberrrrr
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
June 12 2010 22:15 GMT
#8
On June 13 2010 07:06 blabber wrote:
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On June 13 2010 06:43 Adeny wrote:
Activision is pretty much the devil... Or atleast up there with EA.

Activision is already worse than EA


Well. Activision used to be great, then they fucked up a lot of stuff for their fanboys. EA has just kind of always been bad, you know?
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 12 2010 23:00 GMT
#9
"First Right of Refusal" sounds like Activision just wants to reserve the right to deny a game from being featured in their competition. That makes perfect sense.

"acknowledgement of Sponsor's development of game concepts that may be similar to entrant's Submission" - That sounds potentially scary. I can think of two ways to interpret that...one is really really bad, the other is completely harmless. I'm not a lawyer ):
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FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
June 12 2010 23:41 GMT
#10
On June 13 2010 07:00 chiflutz wrote:
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The Submission cannot have been submitted previously in a promotion of any kind or exhibited or displayed publicly through any means.


This I do not get, how many quality submissions do they expect to receive that adhere to that rule ?

+ Show Spoiler +
To become a finalist, you may have to grant "first right of refusal to [Activision] for any development or publishing of Submission."


This makes perfect sense, tho, I'd want to stand to make a profit from something like this too, if I were them. Come on, they're selling SC II as a 3-part game and people are suprised they're not simply "giving something back" with no strings attached ?


sounds like there trying to steal a game
skyhighftw on iccup
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 12 2010 23:49 GMT
#11
How many quality indie developers are dumb enough to sign away their games to Activision of all people?
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m1LkmaN
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia82 Posts
June 13 2010 10:39 GMT
#12
Kotick... is not trying to help the video game industry??????
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