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Hey people!
So, the time has come around when one's favourite mouse is finally breaking down and the good people at Logitech have stopped manufacturing said mouse.
See, I've been using the (legendary dare I say?) Logitech G7 for a few years, because I love the response time and the fact that I can change songs on my winamp from my kitchen (12 metre distance) with absolute precision.
So now my babydoll has started registering doubleclicks on every other singleclick (as in, I click on something once and it registers as a double click and launches the file/folder etc), which is just unbarable as you could probably imagine.
I guess question #1 would be; is there even any use to try and fix this or should I just throw it out and buy a new mouse?
--> Question #2: What other good, wireless mice are there out there that can actually perform well from a 10 metre distance (do most of my browsing lying on the bed/couch etc so has to be wireless and have a long range) and has ~the response time of a corded mouse?
I've been googling around as best I can and stumbled upon things like the "Logitech Performance Mouse MX" and the Razer Mamba, which seem good but rather expensive.
I would absolutely use the mice for RTS gaming, but nowadays 90% of the use is actually browsing/surfing, so no need for an over-the-top-quick and precise gaming mouse, if it means dubbling the budget.
There's such an ocean of wireless mice drowning in biased ads out there, and I feel a bit at a loss in all of it. Do any of you guys have the experience/knowledge to help me out here? 
Although I won't hold back economically on good comp equipment, finding something under $70-$80 would be preferable.
Oh and a little sidenote; I live in Sweden, so some products (I'm looking at you Logitech) just won't ship here.
Thanks in advance, people! I could really use a hand here! 
edit: It seems the doubleclick problem is a known G7-issue and is partly the reason they stopped manufacturing it, so I'm definately going for a new mouse
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Asking for a wireless mouse on a gaming website is probably not the best idea.
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On May 31 2010 20:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Asking for a wireless mouse on a gaming website is probably not the best idea.
Why? TL is for Starcraft, and not CS. I'm currently studying abroad and my wireless mouse works fine with my laptop to play SC2. I have a Logitech V450 Nano. It's comfortable, simple, and cheap.
The only thing is that it doesn't have any programmable buttons. Great battery life though.
EDIT: oops, saw that you can't get Logitech mice  Sorry dude, those are the only ones I use...
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On May 31 2010 20:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Asking for a wireless mouse on a gaming website is probably not the best idea.
Common misconception. When wireless mice first hit the market, their response time was terribad compared to corded mice. In fact, it stayed that way for a long time and companies like Razer refused to release wireless mice for gaming, since they believed their response time could not live up to the requirements of esport gaming (and in fact, they didn't - at the time).
That reality is completely outdated and wireless laser mice have been ~on par with corded mice regarding response time for several years now.
I've read countless of tests on the subject and time and time again it's been proven that the difference in response time is so, so small that it's completely insignificant for the human mind, even in terms of elite gaming (we're talking less than .001 seconds at max on newer models).
So the old rule of thumb "don't buy a wireless mouse if you're a true gamer" is complete bogus by now.
Back on topic please!
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On May 31 2010 21:04 denzelz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 20:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Asking for a wireless mouse on a gaming website is probably not the best idea. Why? TL is for Starcraft, and not CS. I'm currently studying abroad and my wireless mouse works fine with my laptop to play SC2. I have a Logitech V450 Nano. It's comfortable, simple, and cheap. The only thing is that it doesn't have any programmable buttons. Great battery life though. EDIT: oops, saw that you can't get Logitech mice Sorry dude, those are the only ones I use...
Hey, I have the exact same mouse for my MSI notebook and it's so, so great for schoolwork. The receiever is so small that I keep it plugged into the notebook 24/7 and the neat little bad makes it possible to keep in my jeans pocket on lunch breaks. Unfortunately I feel it's a little too small for my hand when it comes to serious gaming, and more importantly it doesn't have the huge range that I want to be able to use it at home (from kitchen/coach/bed etc).
Great mouse otherwise though!
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the problem is not the response time, but the shape, size and weight, not to mention having to change batteries in the middle of a game.
many starcraft players prefer a lighter mouse.
my only advice is don't get the microsoft explorer mini because its shaped in such a way where you are pushing the mouse backwards when you press the buttons. terribad for gaming.
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hehe, I'm looking more and more at the Microsoft Sidewinder X8 and am dangerously close to buying one.
Any experience on this site of that particular mouse?
As in, does it break down after 6 months of use or is it a loyal friend?
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On May 31 2010 21:14 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 20:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Asking for a wireless mouse on a gaming website is probably not the best idea. Common misconception. When wireless mice first hit the market, their response time was terribad compared to corded mice. In fact, it stayed that way for a long time and companies like Razer refused to release wireless mice for gaming, since they believed their response time could not live up to the requirements of esport gaming (and in fact, they didn't - at the time). That reality is completely outdated and wireless laser mice have been ~on par with corded mice regarding response time for several years now. I've read countless of tests on the subject and time and time again it's been proven that the difference in response time is so, so small that it's completely insignificant for the human mind, even in terms of elite gaming (we're talking less than .001 seconds at max on newer models). So the old rule of thumb "don't buy a wireless mouse if you're a true gamer" is complete bogus by now. Back on topic please!
um, I guarantee you that no progamer will ever use a wireless mouse.
1) they are not as good as corded, ever. They may be close but no.
2) They don't cut out or lose battery life randomly/occasionally.
3) they are not heavy bulky piece of shits.
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i've never really seen the point for a wireless mouse. What are you doing with your mouse that the cord restricts it in some way? Don't you just need a docking station taking up space anyway, so what is the gain from it being cordless? They lose charge, they lose the signal etc. I just don't get it for a desktop
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On June 01 2010 00:05 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 21:14 GinNtoniC wrote:On May 31 2010 20:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Asking for a wireless mouse on a gaming website is probably not the best idea. Common misconception. When wireless mice first hit the market, their response time was terribad compared to corded mice. In fact, it stayed that way for a long time and companies like Razer refused to release wireless mice for gaming, since they believed their response time could not live up to the requirements of esport gaming (and in fact, they didn't - at the time). That reality is completely outdated and wireless laser mice have been ~on par with corded mice regarding response time for several years now. I've read countless of tests on the subject and time and time again it's been proven that the difference in response time is so, so small that it's completely insignificant for the human mind, even in terms of elite gaming (we're talking less than .001 seconds at max on newer models). So the old rule of thumb "don't buy a wireless mouse if you're a true gamer" is complete bogus by now. Back on topic please! um, I guarantee you that no progamer will ever use a wireless mouse. 1) they are not as good as corded, ever. They may be close but no. 2) They don't cut out or lose battery life randomly/occasionally. 3) they are not heavy bulky piece of shits.
1) Yes, they're close and for 99.99% of us, that's good enough. I'm not in the top .01% and neither are you. When was the last time a .1 millisecond delay cost you a game? When have you seen it cost -anyone- a game?
2) The one I use has a battery indicator on it and swappable battery packs. This is a non-issue.
3) I like heavy mice. I wish mine was heavier. It gives me added precision. Also, they aren't pieces of shit either as long as you buy a quality one. Same as regular mice, keyboards, or anything else you might buy.
On June 01 2010 00:29 floor exercise wrote:
i've never really seen the point for a wireless mouse. What are you doing with your mouse that the cord restricts it in some way? Don't you just need a docking station taking up space anyway, so what is the gain from it being cordless? They lose charge, they lose the signal etc. I just don't get it for a desktop
The subtle tug from a mouse's cord irritates me. I also wanted a heavier mouse and mice with weights weren't available when I bought this one many years ago. This model doesn't have a dock, it has swappable batteries and one is always charging. I have to change the battery out once every two days or so and again, there is an indicator light. I've never lost signal -ever-.
The only problem is a sensor bug that causes it to double click once in a while. Anything on the market today will of course be fine.
Here's a good review I found on 2 good wireless mice, the Mamba and Sidewinder X8
http://gizmodo.com/5209312/razer-mamba-vs-sidewinder-x8-wireless-gaming-mice-review
+ Show Spoiler +There Can Be Only One?
Can you cut the cord and achieve sweet, wireless freedom while feeling safe that your fragging powers are undiminished? Yep. Response time felt the same for every mouse I used: X8, Mamba and my wired mice. Which means two things: Gaming-grade wireless is here (just in case you doubted it), and performance isn't the reason you should pick the Mamba over the X8.
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On June 01 2010 00:29 floor exercise wrote:
i've never really seen the point for a wireless mouse. What are you doing with your mouse that the cord restricts it in some way? Don't you just need a docking station taking up space anyway, so what is the gain from it being cordless? They lose charge, they lose the signal etc. I just don't get it for a desktop
wow, I don't mean to be rude, but please read the OP.
I use it a lot from distance, simply cause I'm browsing/watching movies from my bed, my couch etc and thus need a wireless connection. That and the feeling of freedom. This thread isn't about which is best; corded or wireless - it's about what good wireless mice there are out there.
On June 01 2010 00:05 CharlieMurphy wrote:um, I guarantee you that no progamer will ever use a wireless mouse.
1) they are not as good as corded, ever. They may be close but no.
2) They don't cut out or lose battery life randomly/occasionally.
3) they are not heavy bulky piece of shits.
Again, this thread is not about which is best; corded or wireless. If you're only in it to debate that, then kindly get out of my blog.
I'm glad you enjoy your corded mouse, but please realize that your preferences =/= my preferences.
Back on topic, please!
ps. happy bday tho!
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I just ordered a Microsoft Sidewidner X8.
Will write a short review here once it's delivered and I've had a proper chance to get a feel for it.
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I sincerely hope you did not buy a wireless mouse with gaming in mind. Wireless mice do not work for gaming due to the latency that seriously harm your accuracy. Even newer ones with laser has a latency so huge it feels like playing with mouse acceleration on a 64ms LCD screen from the 90s.
Last mouse I bought was a wireless, but it's so slow i stopped using it the day I got it and switched back to my mx518. I only ever use it when I'm lying in bed surfing or watching sc on youtube. Wireless keyboards can work though, I use one at the moment and it's not too bad, although if I was more serious about gaming I'd consider getting another keyboard with a wire.
EDIT: I read that you did get a wireless. If you don't notice any difference between wireless and conventional mice, then I'm happy for you. GLHF
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On June 02 2010 22:07 tYsopz wrote:I sincerely hope you did not buy a wireless mouse with gaming in mind. Wireless mice do not work for gaming due to the latency that seriously harm your accuracy. Even newer ones with laser has a latency so huge it feels like playing with mouse acceleration on a 64ms LCD screen from the 90s. Last mouse I bought was a wireless, but it's so slow i stopped using it the day I got it and switched back to my mx518. I only ever use it when I'm lying in bed surfing or watching sc on youtube. Wireless keyboards can work though, I use one at the moment and it's not too bad, although if I was more serious about gaming I'd consider getting another keyboard with a wire. EDIT: I read that you did get a wireless. If you don't notice any difference between wireless and conventional mice, then I'm happy for you. GLHF
Well, the thing is, I've been using a Logitech G7 for years and I haven't noticed any difference in response compared to my old MX 518 (and have been gaming quite damn seriously on iccup).
Response tests run on the Microsoft Sidewinder X8 have shown an avarage delay of 0.1-1ms, which is hardly noticable to the human mind. As has been said time and time again in this thread (why do people hate reading? ) modern wireless mice do not suffer from the response delay that the old models did --> no reason to not buy a wireless mouse, if response time is your only concern.
Again - I'll write here again once my new Sidewinder X8 has arrived and I've had a chance to try it out thoroughly
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wireless mice?! dude common
User was warned for this post.
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Right, so I've had the mouse for almost a week now and have so far concluded this much:
#1 It's super fast and tracks on anything. Difference in latency between the wireless X8 and my Logitech MX518 = completely unnoticeable (Can people finally pull their heads out of the sand on this one by now?)
#2 It's super precise with the ridicilous 4000 dpi
#3 Great software. Gotta love the macros and 7 fully customizeable buttons.
#4 It's King Kong!
- I'm 1,94m tall and have fairly large hands - I still can't wrap my paws around this thing in any way that resembles an ergonomic posture for my handwrist.
#5 It's quite heavy and there are no swapable weights like on the G5.
#6 Battery life is superb! Used it for 5 days straight before having to recharge.
If it wasn't for the sheer size, I'd love it. As it is now though, I might have to replace it simply because of that.
If you have big hands though, I'd recommend it any day of the week!
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still not convinced 
in related news, wired is still better 
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I don't know if the standard here is to re-post if the thread has died a while ago or to ressurrect it. I'm gonna rez this one anyway.
I have already had a wireless mouse once, it was a Logitech LX7. I adapted to it pretty quickly, but with time it tired me too much because of its heavy weight. 2 AA bateries can take their toll over some time.
What I ask here is: how's the weight on those 2 mouses (sidewinder and mamba) compared to wired mouses? Does anyone have precise numbers?
Thanks in advance!
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EPT
hate the double clicking problem.
