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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 28 2010 16:44 GMT
#81
totally agree on Fantasy vs Jaedong. Why on earth should Jaedong try to win in the most efficient way? JK dur dur dur fucking retard plexa. and effort won by luck against Flash? hmm... no. he picked strategies that punished flash... not "oh man thank god i built those speedlings on accident." "oh sick! my overlord randomly guessed the right way! What luck!" fuck off and accept that flash lost. and effort won. why is it so hard for people to just admit defeat. 9/10 times now days on b.net i get at the end... "Did you hack? You hacked faggot." Nice hacking man" //// NO you fucking lost get over it.

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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
May 28 2010 16:44 GMT
#82
flame bait.

"rant rant rant ridiculous claim"

EffOrt got ridiculous winning streaks months ago. He took CJ to playoffs and won on matches with lots of pressure on. And now he won OSL after being 0-2 down. It's not EffOrt's fault that flash couldn't cope with his strategies. EffOrt strategies dealt with Flash's weaknesses the same July did back in the day.

And yes, Flash was the inferior player, because he didn't change his mindset in all the series (maybe only in game 4?). If action got to the finals against any Terran, do you think they would let him reach hive easily? No, they would do all sort of dirty Terran strategies to kill Action before he got to hive. It's not being bad, it's outsmarting your opponents.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 28 2010 16:46 GMT
#83
On May 29 2010 01:44 OneFierceZealot wrote:
totally agree on Fantasy vs Jaedong. Why on earth should Jaedong try to win in the most efficient way? JK dur dur dur fucking retard plexa. and effort won by luck against Flash? hmm... no. he picked strategies that punished flash... not "oh man thank god i built those speedlings on accident." "oh sick! my overlord randomly guessed the right way! What luck!" fuck off and accept that flash lost. and effort won. why is it so hard for people to just admit defeat. 9/10 times now days on b.net i get at the end... "Did you hack? You hacked faggot." Nice hacking man" //// NO you fucking lost get over it.


Relax guy, you are frothing at the mouth.

I do agree with the title though. Effort IS still bad.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 28 2010 16:46 GMT
#84
On May 29 2010 00:49 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 00:43 IdrA wrote:
i mean seriously if anyone hates cheese its me but you see him punish proxy raxes and 12 cc's and disregard the fact that he had an 80%+ win rate through proleague for most of a season, carried cj through 2 rounds of ace matches in the playoffs, the vast majority of that through absolutely unmatched late game management. and then you try to make the same point about jaedong who quite possibly has the best multitasking of all time because he punished fantasy's tech build bullshit?
god damn you're stupid.

I'll concede the Jaedong point, because that probably is just me being an angry fanboy. But I just don't see Effort continually posting results against Jaedong, Flash and other good gamers with the way he played in this starleague. Flash and Jaedong are still leaps and bounds ahead of him.

those 2 are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone, and effort is arguably the closest. watch every game hes played outside of the winners league time period this season. ya, when people play stupid vs him he can punish it. just like flash bunker rushes every time someone goes 12 nex vs him, or fac cc fac rushes them if he sees them doing something gay. but for you to discount his management game just shows that the only long games youve watched him play are the 2 vs flash from the finals.
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Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
May 28 2010 16:49 GMT
#85
and by 2 hatch being dirty you mean completely standard? if i recall correctly jaedong 2 hatched the games he lost in that series too.
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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
May 28 2010 16:56 GMT
#86
On May 29 2010 01:31 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 01:14 dangots0ul wrote:
no offense, but you kinda sound like idra here


Except that Idra reacted like this

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 00:37 IdrA wrote:
you are literally the most clueless person ive ever seen write about sc players
stop having opinions




your right, i'm a fucken skillless noobie
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Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
May 28 2010 16:59 GMT
#87
Idra covering up for his buddy/teammate effort. woot.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
May 28 2010 17:03 GMT
#88
5 stars..:D

though if you hated Jaedong early on because of his boring play style then I'd take it that you didn't like savior for his 3 hatch turtle style?
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TommyGG
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States142 Posts
May 28 2010 17:04 GMT
#89
On May 29 2010 01:12 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 01:09 Malinor wrote:
Since your blog is basically a rant, I am not too concerned about your controversial statements and rather found them amusing.

However, the way you make it sound like game 4 of Jaedong vs Fantasy and game 4 of Effort vs Flash were "Dirty Zerg"-play is really not helping your argument. Fantasy built a proxy fac (which Jaedong scouted) and Flash tried to BBS (and got scouted). Of course they adjusted their game-plan accordingly. If they would have played "Dirty Zerg" regardless we cannot know.

Finally someone who gets it.

The only worthwhile thing to take from this blog is that Flash /Jaedong > Effort skillwise and Plexa watched the finals less than 3 hours ago.



why are you including this? is this being said as some sort of an excuse?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 28 2010 17:14 GMT
#90
On May 29 2010 01:44 IntoTheWow wrote:
flame bait.

"rant rant rant ridiculous claim"

EffOrt got ridiculous winning streaks months ago. He took CJ to playoffs and won on matches with lots of pressure on. And now he won OSL after being 0-2 down. It's not EffOrt's fault that flash couldn't cope with his strategies. EffOrt strategies dealt with Flash's weaknesses the same July did back in the day.

And yes, Flash was the inferior player, because he didn't change his mindset in all the series (maybe only in game 4?). If action got to the finals against any Terran, do you think they would let him reach hive easily? No, they would do all sort of dirty Terran strategies to kill Action before he got to hive. It's not being bad, it's outsmarting your opponents.


Even game 4 was pretty predictable and the most obvious time to cheese. Mixing it up would be to cheese in the first set maybe or something crazy like that. Everyone tries BBS at this stage in a BO3/5, was hardly a smart move.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
May 28 2010 17:20 GMT
#91
Your blaming effort for being dirty, when Flash was doing all in builds in both game 4 and 5 that Effort just countered well?

I swear you are getting more and more biased in your older days.
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asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
May 28 2010 17:26 GMT
#92
Plexa, please don't write the next power rank.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
May 28 2010 17:30 GMT
#93
I'll wait until I see what you say in the Power Rank. THEN I'll argue.
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Hirmu
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Finland850 Posts
May 28 2010 17:31 GMT
#94
lol
it wasnt luck
CrunkOwns
Profile Joined April 2010
United States138 Posts
May 28 2010 17:36 GMT
#95
Thought this was a really bad article.. I don't care what game you are playing people saying "resorted to cheese," won because of luck not skill, etc really just need to stfu. If you have a problem w/ 2 hatch muta, etc.. then make a topic on that. But don't blame the player for using what he felt would give him the best chances vs his opponent.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 28 2010 17:36 GMT
#96
On May 29 2010 02:04 TommyGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 01:12 Plexa wrote:
On May 29 2010 01:09 Malinor wrote:
Since your blog is basically a rant, I am not too concerned about your controversial statements and rather found them amusing.

However, the way you make it sound like game 4 of Jaedong vs Fantasy and game 4 of Effort vs Flash were "Dirty Zerg"-play is really not helping your argument. Fantasy built a proxy fac (which Jaedong scouted) and Flash tried to BBS (and got scouted). Of course they adjusted their game-plan accordingly. If they would have played "Dirty Zerg" regardless we cannot know.

Finally someone who gets it.

The only worthwhile thing to take from this blog is that Flash /Jaedong > Effort skillwise and Plexa watched the finals less than 3 hours ago.



why are you including this? is this being said as some sort of an excuse?

Nah, I understand it. It's easy to get caught up in what you're writing so soon after an event, and if Plexa does regret it to some extent, I can totally sympathize with feeling foolish like that.
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eNoq
Profile Joined June 2009
Netherlands502 Posts
May 28 2010 17:40 GMT
#97
Effort is bad? He just adapted to what flash did.
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WinHouse
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia58 Posts
May 28 2010 17:41 GMT
#98
Player wins a Tournament fan boy of loser wants to remind everyone that the winner is "still" a bad player. as if before he won he was a nobody dispite the fact weeks coming up to the event effort was doing fantastic and reclaiming skill he had his peek ago.

Also if efforts is "still" bad then flash is "still" bad.

Plexa is obviously a racist as well.
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Eiserne
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States340 Posts
May 28 2010 17:43 GMT
#99
This is a stupid thread. Eff0rt vastly outplayed Flash in the Bo5 setting in the OSL Finals. Flash's mindset broke down after set 3, and Eff0rt's didn't. Eff0rt didn't do a speedling all-in in set 5. He saw Flash did an un-walled 14cc and Eff0rt diverted from his 2hat muta into more lings, taking advantage of a window, a weakness, to secure him an OSL championship.

Effort played wildly better than Flash did in sets 3-5.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
May 28 2010 17:45 GMT
#100
I dont think EffOrt is a terrible player, only ForGG may say that, but I dont think he is that good either. You just have to compare him with Calm, the other kind of new rising zerg star and a SL champion. Imo Calm is superior in every way and I think he has a lot more room to improve, where's the infamous EffOrt of 2009 got raped with scouts by Bisu on the day that Bisu had a Bo3 against Flash...
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