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Dehner
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada18 Posts
May 27 2010 02:26 GMT
#121
Worked great this morning but I'm trying to play tonight and I've been lagging crazily the same as when Patch 13 was just implemented, with or without the program running. Instant drop from 4 games and counting, 2 with it on, 2 without..
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
May 27 2010 02:32 GMT
#122
On May 27 2010 11:04 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 09:06 Gary13579 wrote:
I'd be quite shocked if UDP was still being used, even after all my tests suggest otherwise. I decided to hop into a ranked game (all my games before were custom), and sure enough, still using TCP.

If one of you Windows users could check something for me, I'd appreciate it. Hop into a game without using this hack, hit Start -> Run, type cmd<enter>, then type: netstat -n | find "1119". copy/paste the output here.


I think you're right. UDP appears to be disabled server-side. I'm not running R1CH's program, and going by netstat output, I don't see any UDP activity at all, only TCP.


When I use the application provided by R1CH, it shows that it is indeed blocking stuff.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
May 27 2010 03:09 GMT
#123
UDP won't show up in netstat because it is connectionless. However I did some brief testing (Custom game and FFA) earlier tonight and it appears UDP is no longer in use.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
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Gary13579
Profile Joined May 2010
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 03:28:01
May 27 2010 03:27 GMT
#124
On May 27 2010 12:09 R1CH wrote:
UDP won't show up in netstat because it is connectionless. However I did some brief testing (Custom game and FFA) earlier tonight and it appears UDP is no longer in use.


Somewhat correct, netstat doesn't show UDP "connections" the typical way you'd expect, but it will show a UDP server.

gary@snuggles:~$ netstat -aun | grep "1337" 05/26/10 9:26 PM
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1337 0.0.0.0: *
udp6 0 0 :::1337 ::: *

= my torrent client. so if SC2 was using UDP, it would show the server running.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
May 27 2010 03:35 GMT
#125
On May 27 2010 12:09 R1CH wrote:
UDP won't show up in netstat because it is connectionless. However I did some brief testing (Custom game and FFA) earlier tonight and it appears UDP is no longer in use.


I just played some 2v2s with a friend who normally lags a lot, and he said the games where he lagged heavily were the games where your program wasn't active. Possible placebo effect at work?
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
May 27 2010 03:54 GMT
#126
I didn't have time to test much, it might still be using UDP. Just because my program shows it blocking UDP doesn't mean it would have used UDP, if bnet doesn't respond to the UDP then it will still go back to TCP.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 27 2010 04:09 GMT
#127
LOLOLOL

R1CH >>>>>> Blizzard.

Hands down.

Kudos.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
May 27 2010 04:30 GMT
#128
Why does Blizzard suck so bad? R1CH seems to easily find and fix problems with the beta faster than they do.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
May 27 2010 06:03 GMT
#129
On May 27 2010 13:30 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Why does Blizzard suck so bad? R1CH seems to easily find and fix problems with the beta faster than they do.


R1CH didn't do anything special. Blizzard is trying to implement a different technology here. UDP will give everyone the counterstrike latency people desire. They were using TCP before, which was slow. What would you rather have? A few weeks of horrible lag and latency during the beta but awesome latency when the game is released or a playable beta but 150ms latency?
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
May 27 2010 06:19 GMT
#130
On May 27 2010 05:03 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 03:28 mmp wrote:
Could you include the source code?

Since this is based on my private TCP/IP tool base, I won't be releasing the source. The core of it is simply WSASetLastError(WSAECONNREFUSED) and a patch to sendto with mov eax, -1 retn 18h.

Nice hack, lol.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 07:34:05
May 27 2010 07:33 GMT
#131
blizzard : community = 0 : 9000+
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 07:52:28
May 27 2010 07:35 GMT
#132
On May 27 2010 15:03 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 13:30 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Why does Blizzard suck so bad? R1CH seems to easily find and fix problems with the beta faster than they do.


R1CH didn't do anything special. Blizzard is trying to implement a different technology here. UDP will give everyone the counterstrike latency people desire. They were using TCP before, which was slow. What would you rather have? A few weeks of horrible lag and latency during the beta but awesome latency when the game is released or a playable beta but 150ms latency?

if you're gonna write poor code and implementing it will fuck up what u already have, programmers generally choose to not implement it before whatever problem it has is fixed. This leads me to believe Blizzard didn't do a sufficient amount of testing (10 games would have sufficed in this case) and their bnet team consists of a bunch of dimwits

edit:: sorry for the double post

my guess as to what happened when implementing UDP in blizzard:

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Encode
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia23 Posts
May 27 2010 12:06 GMT
#133
On May 27 2010 09:06 Gary13579 wrote:
If one of you Windows users could check something for me, I'd appreciate it. Hop into a game without using this hack, hit Start -> Run, type cmd<enter>, then type: netstat -n | find "1119". copy/paste the output here.


here is my netstat response:

TCP 192.168.***.******* 213.248.127.131:1119 ESTABLISHED

If UDP is disabled on server then game works the same with or without R1ch's solution - switch to TCP.

However, even TCP is performing better at the moment it cannot be final for mass playing. From now on with more traffic TCP can go only worse.
achadayo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2 Posts
May 27 2010 22:16 GMT
#134
Please post the source code - you can remove your personal headers if you wish. We dont want to compile.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 28 2010 01:28 GMT
#135
All hail R1ch
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
May 28 2010 02:19 GMT
#136
Unfortunately, this program is against BNet's ToS and could get your account revoked.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
galefrost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States38 Posts
May 28 2010 03:12 GMT
#137
I just got dropped from a ladder game a moment ago while running the program. I'm not sure whether it's related to the recent downtime, or just a generic Starcraft II crash, since my program froze and crashed right after the drop, before even sending me to score screen.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
May 28 2010 03:38 GMT
#138
On May 28 2010 11:19 mmp wrote:
Unfortunately, this program is against BNet's ToS and could get your account revoked.

According to the ToS, Blizzard can revoke your account for running SC2. However, it's never going to happen. Please leave this discussion to your own thread and don't harm our excellent coding community.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
May 28 2010 10:46 GMT
#139
I don't see how R1CH hasn't been hired by Blizzard already...
JollYRoGeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden342 Posts
May 28 2010 11:48 GMT
#140

Since this is based on my private TCP/IP tool base, I won't be releasing the source. The core of it is simply WSASetLastError(WSAECONNREFUSED) and a patch to sendto with mov eax, -1 retn 18h.

oh, that one
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