• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:36
CEST 07:36
KST 14:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play0Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)61ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo28Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
Enough with this crap patch: boring and suck! Possible bug in the new patch? Map Pool Suggestion For 1v1 HackErIsTop take on Patch 5.0.16 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June BSL Season 22 BW General Discussion STARCRAFT MOVIE - Last Night at the Command center
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST CSLAN 4 is Coming! Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Games for Kids Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9311 users

could a chess champion get out of this scenario? - Page 2

Blogs > BlueRoyaL
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:53 GMT
#21
probably not even 10 moves if she's as much of an idiot as it sounds. she would probably move a pawn and make it more like 7 moves after getting checked.

tell her she needs to check herself before she wrecks herself
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:55:41
May 21 2010 19:53 GMT
#22
On May 22 2010 04:49 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:47 bakesale wrote:
I think it's an obvious win for you, even with the slight advantage of white (for low-level players I think this advantage is negligible, for high level players it's something like a 54% advantage) you have a solid lead and she can't argue that the first-move advantage won it for you. She was just dodging the loss. However, I wouldn't bring this up again (if you want to remain friendly) without reason, it sounds like you'll have an angry woman on your hands if you do.


SLIGHT ADVANTAGE? this is checkmate in 10 moves



He isn't referring to this game in particular. White has a slight advantage in chess in every game is what he is saying.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:54 GMT
#23
i get it after re-reading. i win more as black honestly.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
May 21 2010 19:54 GMT
#24
What? White's won, it's over, black should type out instead of forcing his opponent to kill all his buildings. White is up two pieces and three pawns, white has THREE protected passed pawns, black's king is hopelessly stuck, black has no draw by perpetual check, black has no counter play. Game.
TL+ Member
liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
May 21 2010 19:55 GMT
#25
If she was good enough to get out of this position, she would have been good enough not to get in this position in the first place
♥ Snute ♥ Scarlett ♥ Jaedong ♥ KeeN ♥
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
May 21 2010 19:56 GMT
#26
On May 22 2010 04:54 Bill Murray wrote:
i get it after re-reading. i win more as black honestly.


The white advantage isn't a very big deal at low level play.
#1 Kwanro Fan
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
May 21 2010 19:58 GMT
#27
this is the list of movements, err history i guess i should say:

1. e2-e3 e7-e6
2. g1-f3 d7-d5
3. b1-c3 c7-c6
4. f1-d3 g8-e7
5. o-o d8-d6
6. e3-e4 b8-d7
7. d1-e2 d6-f4
8. g2-g3 f4-g4
9. f3-d4 d7-e5
10. f2-f3 g4-h3
11. e2-f2 d5xe4
12. f3xe4 e5-g4
13. f2-g2 h3xh2+
14. g2xh2 g4xh2
15. g1xh2 e6-e5
16. d4-f3 c8-g4
17. a2-a4 e7-g6
18. a1-a3 f8-c5
19. d3-c4 o-o
20. a3-b3 g4-e6
21. d2-d3 b7-b5
22. a4xb5 c6xb5
23. b3xb5 c5-d6
24. f3-g5 h7-h6
25. f1-f5 d6-e7
26. b5-a5 h6xg5
27. c1xg5 e7-b4
28. a5xe5 b4-d6
29. e5xe6 a8-d8
30. c3-b5 f7-f6
31. b5xd6 d8-b8
32. e6xf6+ g8-h7
33. f6xf8 g6xf8

but yeah, i was thinkin pretty much the same as all of you guys. i was so sure that there was no way she could win. i know i would've beat her, but was just wondering if a really good player could get back from a situation like this. now i know ;p
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 21 2010 19:58 GMT
#28
On May 22 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote:
if you move your bishop to d2 you can literally checkmate in as little as 10 moves
nothing she can do
kid is a liar


To nitpick, actually the computer is telling me forced mate in 9.
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
May 21 2010 20:00 GMT
#29
You need to ask?
Looks, to put this is Starcraft terms, she has one mining base, 50 supply and no bank. You have a 200/200 3/3 ball of your choice and the rest of the map, mostly unsaturated because you have all your supply in military and 6000/4000 in the bank. Can you lose? Yeah I guess, if you never macro and just run your units back and forth across her ramp and lose all of them and do nothing while she seiges every expo. Will you lose? No. No you will not.
There is but one truth.
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 21 2010 20:00 GMT
#30
She got to be joking. You have so much material and position advantage that pretty much anyone playing white can win this.
:]
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:02:50
May 21 2010 20:02 GMT
#31
You are ahead by 2 bishops and 3 pawns. (If it's your opponents turn, they could take your B pawn, but it wouldn't matter) You also have a huuuge positional advantage.
You've won the game... your opponent really can't do anything to you. (Unless you whap your dick on the mouse for each of your moves) I doubt they could even force a draw, unless you seriously screw up.

I highly doubt anyone would be able to win for black at this point.
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
May 21 2010 20:04 GMT
#32
Post the force mate moves?
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
May 21 2010 20:12 GMT
#33
On May 22 2010 05:00 Ecrilon wrote:
You need to ask?
Looks, to put this is Starcraft terms, she has one mining base, 50 supply and no bank. You have a 200/200 3/3 ball of your choice and the rest of the map, mostly unsaturated because you have all your supply in military and 6000/4000 in the bank. Can you lose? Yeah I guess, if you never macro and just run your units back and forth across her ramp and lose all of them and do nothing while she seiges every expo. Will you lose? No. No you will not.


im loving this analogy.

anyways, case settled. I'm going to show her this thread as evidence, and she'll have nothing to say =)
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 21 2010 20:17 GMT
#34
On May 22 2010 05:04 nosliw wrote:
Post the force mate moves?


I am not sure if that's possible; black has a lot of potential moves and I don't think black is in any real short-term danger.

Overall, however, once white does bishop d2 or e3 black will be in a hopeless position. The only reason white hasn't won yet is that the white bishop is in an undesirable position. If I were playing this game, I'd attack black's A-lane pawn. With this much material advantage the game will be easily won within 10 turns.
:]
metaphoR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States199 Posts
May 21 2010 20:18 GMT
#35
theoretically she can beat you (she does have a knight and a rook +pawns) but the chances of that are obviously not that high seeing as you have a much better position. she should have just resigned, but she wont admit she lost.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:40:36
May 21 2010 20:19 GMT
#36
1. Be3 Rb7 (gives up the knight, defending the pawn and prolonging the struggle)
2. Rxf8 Rc7
3. Bg8+ Kg6 (Kh8 leads to mate in 6)
4. Kh3 Rf7 (any other move leads to mate in 3)
5. Rxf7 a5 (any king move leads to mate in 2)
6. Rf5 a4 (only move)
7. Bf7+ forcing king into mate next round, Kh7 only move
8. Rh5# bank rank mate.

But the point is, even if you don't see this sequence of moves, white is up so much material that he can slowly squeeze the life out of black. Black's lost.
TL+ Member
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1025 Posts
May 21 2010 20:20 GMT
#37
You don't need to be a rocket scientist for this, you just need to know the rules of chess to realize it...
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:30:18
May 21 2010 20:23 GMT
#38
On May 22 2010 05:04 nosliw wrote:
Post the force mate moves?


Whenever the computer decides that allowing pieces to be taken for free is the best decision, you know it's over. This is one example of a 9-turn win, but I only let the engine run 18 turns deep. I'm pretty newb at chess in general and don't know much about how engines work, so you don't need to trust my word on this.

34. Bd2    Rb7
35. Rxf8 Rc7
36. Bg8+ Kh8
37. Nf7+ Rxf7
38. Bxf7+ Kg8
39. Bg8+ Kg6
40. Rf5 a6
41. Bf7+ Kg8
42. Rh5#

edit: whoops accidentally put + where I didn't mean to lol
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
May 21 2010 20:31 GMT
#39
Two pages and no one has brought up the most important issue yet....

+ Show Spoiler +
is she hot?
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
Fallen33
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States596 Posts
May 21 2010 20:44 GMT
#40
absolutely no way you lose that.
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Douyu Cup 2020
05:00
2026 - Day 1
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
CranKy Ducklings134
IndyStarCraft 44
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft649
WinterStarcraft599
NeuroSwarm 167
RuFF_SC2 141
Nina 66
StateSC2 55
IndyStarCraft 41
ProTech18
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2966
GuemChi 2651
Shuttle 779
Leta 440
Mind 242
ZergMaN 32
Bale 25
yabsab 23
Aegong 9
Icarus 9
League of Legends
JimRising 684
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv593
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox833
Other Games
summit1g7230
C9.Mang0247
ViBE111
Mew2King103
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick797
BasetradeTV295
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP37
• practicex 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1623
• Rush1319
• Stunt485
Upcoming Events
OSC
10h 24m
Douyu Cup 2020
23h 24m
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 23h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Douyu Cup 2020
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
Online Event
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-24
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.