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could a chess champion get out of this scenario? - Page 2

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:53 GMT
#21
probably not even 10 moves if she's as much of an idiot as it sounds. she would probably move a pawn and make it more like 7 moves after getting checked.

tell her she needs to check herself before she wrecks herself
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:55:41
May 21 2010 19:53 GMT
#22
On May 22 2010 04:49 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:47 bakesale wrote:
I think it's an obvious win for you, even with the slight advantage of white (for low-level players I think this advantage is negligible, for high level players it's something like a 54% advantage) you have a solid lead and she can't argue that the first-move advantage won it for you. She was just dodging the loss. However, I wouldn't bring this up again (if you want to remain friendly) without reason, it sounds like you'll have an angry woman on your hands if you do.


SLIGHT ADVANTAGE? this is checkmate in 10 moves



He isn't referring to this game in particular. White has a slight advantage in chess in every game is what he is saying.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:54 GMT
#23
i get it after re-reading. i win more as black honestly.
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Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
May 21 2010 19:54 GMT
#24
What? White's won, it's over, black should type out instead of forcing his opponent to kill all his buildings. White is up two pieces and three pawns, white has THREE protected passed pawns, black's king is hopelessly stuck, black has no draw by perpetual check, black has no counter play. Game.
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liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
May 21 2010 19:55 GMT
#25
If she was good enough to get out of this position, she would have been good enough not to get in this position in the first place
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
May 21 2010 19:56 GMT
#26
On May 22 2010 04:54 Bill Murray wrote:
i get it after re-reading. i win more as black honestly.


The white advantage isn't a very big deal at low level play.
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
May 21 2010 19:58 GMT
#27
this is the list of movements, err history i guess i should say:

1. e2-e3 e7-e6
2. g1-f3 d7-d5
3. b1-c3 c7-c6
4. f1-d3 g8-e7
5. o-o d8-d6
6. e3-e4 b8-d7
7. d1-e2 d6-f4
8. g2-g3 f4-g4
9. f3-d4 d7-e5
10. f2-f3 g4-h3
11. e2-f2 d5xe4
12. f3xe4 e5-g4
13. f2-g2 h3xh2+
14. g2xh2 g4xh2
15. g1xh2 e6-e5
16. d4-f3 c8-g4
17. a2-a4 e7-g6
18. a1-a3 f8-c5
19. d3-c4 o-o
20. a3-b3 g4-e6
21. d2-d3 b7-b5
22. a4xb5 c6xb5
23. b3xb5 c5-d6
24. f3-g5 h7-h6
25. f1-f5 d6-e7
26. b5-a5 h6xg5
27. c1xg5 e7-b4
28. a5xe5 b4-d6
29. e5xe6 a8-d8
30. c3-b5 f7-f6
31. b5xd6 d8-b8
32. e6xf6+ g8-h7
33. f6xf8 g6xf8

but yeah, i was thinkin pretty much the same as all of you guys. i was so sure that there was no way she could win. i know i would've beat her, but was just wondering if a really good player could get back from a situation like this. now i know ;p
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 21 2010 19:58 GMT
#28
On May 22 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote:
if you move your bishop to d2 you can literally checkmate in as little as 10 moves
nothing she can do
kid is a liar


To nitpick, actually the computer is telling me forced mate in 9.
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
May 21 2010 20:00 GMT
#29
You need to ask?
Looks, to put this is Starcraft terms, she has one mining base, 50 supply and no bank. You have a 200/200 3/3 ball of your choice and the rest of the map, mostly unsaturated because you have all your supply in military and 6000/4000 in the bank. Can you lose? Yeah I guess, if you never macro and just run your units back and forth across her ramp and lose all of them and do nothing while she seiges every expo. Will you lose? No. No you will not.
There is but one truth.
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 21 2010 20:00 GMT
#30
She got to be joking. You have so much material and position advantage that pretty much anyone playing white can win this.
:]
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:02:50
May 21 2010 20:02 GMT
#31
You are ahead by 2 bishops and 3 pawns. (If it's your opponents turn, they could take your B pawn, but it wouldn't matter) You also have a huuuge positional advantage.
You've won the game... your opponent really can't do anything to you. (Unless you whap your dick on the mouse for each of your moves) I doubt they could even force a draw, unless you seriously screw up.

I highly doubt anyone would be able to win for black at this point.
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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
May 21 2010 20:04 GMT
#32
Post the force mate moves?
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
May 21 2010 20:12 GMT
#33
On May 22 2010 05:00 Ecrilon wrote:
You need to ask?
Looks, to put this is Starcraft terms, she has one mining base, 50 supply and no bank. You have a 200/200 3/3 ball of your choice and the rest of the map, mostly unsaturated because you have all your supply in military and 6000/4000 in the bank. Can you lose? Yeah I guess, if you never macro and just run your units back and forth across her ramp and lose all of them and do nothing while she seiges every expo. Will you lose? No. No you will not.


im loving this analogy.

anyways, case settled. I'm going to show her this thread as evidence, and she'll have nothing to say =)
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 21 2010 20:17 GMT
#34
On May 22 2010 05:04 nosliw wrote:
Post the force mate moves?


I am not sure if that's possible; black has a lot of potential moves and I don't think black is in any real short-term danger.

Overall, however, once white does bishop d2 or e3 black will be in a hopeless position. The only reason white hasn't won yet is that the white bishop is in an undesirable position. If I were playing this game, I'd attack black's A-lane pawn. With this much material advantage the game will be easily won within 10 turns.
:]
metaphoR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States199 Posts
May 21 2010 20:18 GMT
#35
theoretically she can beat you (she does have a knight and a rook +pawns) but the chances of that are obviously not that high seeing as you have a much better position. she should have just resigned, but she wont admit she lost.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:40:36
May 21 2010 20:19 GMT
#36
1. Be3 Rb7 (gives up the knight, defending the pawn and prolonging the struggle)
2. Rxf8 Rc7
3. Bg8+ Kg6 (Kh8 leads to mate in 6)
4. Kh3 Rf7 (any other move leads to mate in 3)
5. Rxf7 a5 (any king move leads to mate in 2)
6. Rf5 a4 (only move)
7. Bf7+ forcing king into mate next round, Kh7 only move
8. Rh5# bank rank mate.

But the point is, even if you don't see this sequence of moves, white is up so much material that he can slowly squeeze the life out of black. Black's lost.
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Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1028 Posts
May 21 2010 20:20 GMT
#37
You don't need to be a rocket scientist for this, you just need to know the rules of chess to realize it...
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:30:18
May 21 2010 20:23 GMT
#38
On May 22 2010 05:04 nosliw wrote:
Post the force mate moves?


Whenever the computer decides that allowing pieces to be taken for free is the best decision, you know it's over. This is one example of a 9-turn win, but I only let the engine run 18 turns deep. I'm pretty newb at chess in general and don't know much about how engines work, so you don't need to trust my word on this.

34. Bd2    Rb7
35. Rxf8 Rc7
36. Bg8+ Kh8
37. Nf7+ Rxf7
38. Bxf7+ Kg8
39. Bg8+ Kg6
40. Rf5 a6
41. Bf7+ Kg8
42. Rh5#

edit: whoops accidentally put + where I didn't mean to lol
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
May 21 2010 20:31 GMT
#39
Two pages and no one has brought up the most important issue yet....

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Fallen33
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States596 Posts
May 21 2010 20:44 GMT
#40
absolutely no way you lose that.
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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