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could a chess champion get out of this scenario? - Page 3

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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
May 21 2010 20:47 GMT
#41
From what I know about chess she is almost completely screwed, I'm sure there is a way she could win but the chances of her being able to pull it off are slim to none.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
LetMeLiveABit
Profile Joined May 2010
Malaysia20 Posts
May 21 2010 20:51 GMT
#42
On May 22 2010 05:31 mucker wrote:
Two pages and no one has brought up the most important issue yet....

+ Show Spoiler +
is she hot?

This is why they're good at chess.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 21:01:01
May 21 2010 20:58 GMT
#43
On May 22 2010 04:55 liaf wrote:
If she was good enough to get out of this position, she would have been good enough not to get in this position in the first place



that's the big crux, in a million years she'd never win this position given how the skill sides look to have developed to this situation.

oh but if based on the topic title, could magnus carlsen beat you in this game? yeah maybe he could
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 21:12:07
May 21 2010 21:08 GMT
#44
I played in a club for a few years, solid but not great. Nobody could win this game against me or any other good or even mediocre player. 0%. Not 0.0001%, exactly zero percent, the game is over. This is not Starcraft where you can micro around your units and thus get an advantage. Anand also can only move 1 piece / turn and he has no position or pieces to make good moves. The position is ruined, material has been traded disadvantageous the whole game (I don't know if she tried a checkmate combo and thus lost or how it came). Good chess players would have scooped many turns earlier.
metaphoR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States199 Posts
May 21 2010 21:14 GMT
#45
its also generally bm if you dont resign after losing a piece and not getting any compensation for it.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
May 21 2010 21:14 GMT
#46
It is theoretically possible for her to win if you decide to start handing her pieces.

Past that, no, not really.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 21 2010 21:39 GMT
#47
Her skill doesn't matter only yours. There are players who are bad enough to lose this although it's pretty hard without time pressure.
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NobleDog
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
May 22 2010 00:58 GMT
#48
#1--She's horrible. She's BSing about her skill and showing poor sportsmanship in your game by saying she could win from that position.

#2--As has been said, unless you just start giving away pieces she has no chance to come back, and the same for a strong master. The key would be how well/poorly you play. A queen up in material is just huge at that point and in that position.
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
May 22 2010 01:41 GMT
#49
You know in certain areas that don't have a lot of chess players ... she could be the best and still be fairly bad.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 22 2010 01:49 GMT
#50
She wouldn't have got this far behind in the first place if you were so bad and she were so good. I say no, for that reason alone.

In any case, it's called forfeiting when you leave the table, so she lost. Call her a faggot noob and enjoy the glory. If she would have stayed in that game, she's basically the equivalent of an eastern pubby terran that hides floating buildings in the corner of the map.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
May 22 2010 02:48 GMT
#51
On May 22 2010 05:00 Ecrilon wrote:
You need to ask?
Looks, to put this is Starcraft terms, she has one mining base, 50 supply and no bank. You have a 200/200 3/3 ball of your choice and the rest of the map, mostly unsaturated because you have all your supply in military and 6000/4000 in the bank. Can you lose? Yeah I guess, if you never macro and just run your units back and forth across her ramp and lose all of them and do nothing while she seiges every expo. Will you lose? No. No you will not.


this.
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
May 22 2010 03:49 GMT
#52
The poll responses are not very accurate but being rated 1851 USCF I say 1-0 unless the game is thrown. She is garbage and obviously not good at all if she is losing and also if she considers it to be not completely lost.

As to your question, is white a huge advantage, boils down to equilibrium. In chess an equilibrium is what results from a naturally symmetrical and even position. As white, with the move advantage, the ability to break the equilibrium results in about a 55% win at top level play. Initiative is a strong theme in chess that white is better able to take control of. A win as white or draw as black is considered a success, but at lower levels color is a minor advantage/disadvantage at best. Depending on peoples comfort with openings and positions some even prefer black because they feel at home in the positions they frequently find themselves in.
lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 22 2010 04:10 GMT
#53
if she's good enough to beat you from that far back, she wouldn't have gotten to such an unfavorable position in the first place
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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
May 22 2010 08:04 GMT
#54
Absolutely not
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ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
May 22 2010 08:25 GMT
#55
Objectively, White has a heavy advantage and should win it easily. There is no requirement for much accuracy.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
May 22 2010 08:43 GMT
#56
On May 22 2010 04:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:45 Badjas wrote:
To those who say no to the poll, you forgot to read the word 'theoretically' in the question. A pawn can promote to a queen which should go a long way of winning. Assuming white dumps every piece into black's horse and knight.


you are wrong
theoretically he can fuck up, sure, but if he plays perfect he literally can't lose. nothing she can do. she has to hope he fucks up.

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Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
May 22 2010 13:34 GMT
#57
Lol, I love her dodge. Meet up for a group project... haha
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 15:44:08
May 22 2010 15:29 GMT
#58
i have been staring at this for 5 minutes. lol. no way to lose this.

edit: wow my suggestion really sucked before reading all the moves before me. shows how much I know. lol.

also: goodjob saving the screenshot, even if she drives a caravan she cannot Dodge this.
SleepSheep
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada344 Posts
May 22 2010 21:49 GMT
#59
not only do you have a ridiculous material advantage, but your position is also far superior to hers. to top it all off you're the next to move.
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