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could a chess champion get out of this scenario?

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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
May 21 2010 19:33 GMT
#1
So I'm at work with a coworker, she said she was REALLY good at chess back in highschool, beating all the chess champs from her school. So I challenged her to a friendly match.

I would consider myself, decent, at best. I don't play often at all, although i used to a bit back in junior high, highschool, but never played for any clubs or anything. just for fun with friends/family occasionally.

somehow, i end up getting a quick advantage over her, and i swear i think i won the game, but she says the times up and she has to leave to meet up a group for a project (obvious dodge? lolz)

so here's the picture of when she left:
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I'm white, she's black. She says that if she could stay, she could turn the game around. I say no. I don't think I would even let a champion chess player of whatever caliber take the game when i'm at such an obvious advantage. but then again, i'm pretty amateur so maybe i'm underestimating the capabilities of top-talent players.

Poll: Could she, theoretically, beat me??

no, definitely not. (57)
 
66%

yep, only if you make a big mistake (23)
 
27%

yep, it's possible (even if i don't make big mistakes) (6)
 
7%

86 total votes

Your vote: Could she, theoretically, beat me??

(Vote): yep, it's possible (even if i don't make big mistakes)
(Vote): yep, only if you make a big mistake
(Vote): no, definitely not.



and one more question, is having the first move (being white) a huge advantage?

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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
May 21 2010 19:35 GMT
#2
Who's turn is it?
But why?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:42:35
May 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#3
Not sure what ELO she is, but i doubt Anand could get out of that situation vs any player with like, 1200 elo or something. Just put your bishop on B3 and take all his shit. She's clearly just really cocky.

Example:
b-b3 [threatening R-f7] R-a8 R-f7 [knight exchange is not possible] and black is tied up and lost. Just c4 c5 c6 c7 c8 win.
If knight tries to get out via N-g6 just play d4 and knight is still trapped. Rook can't afford to move and lose the a-pawn since that's the only way she can come back.
Edit even better B-e3 instead of charging the c-pawn and you win P-a7 [or else he has to swap off rooks which is insta loss due to all your pawns. and are still in a killer position to march all your pawns up. In that situation you could just give away your knight and bishop and still win easily since you have 4 pawns and she cannot stop them.
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
May 21 2010 19:37 GMT
#4
You're up two pieces and a bunch of pawns, and you're threatening her king rather than the other way around. You'd have to make a couple of big mistakes to lose this, so I voted no.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
May 21 2010 19:37 GMT
#5
that is a large amount of material to be behind by and your pawn structure is way better than hers

also it's white's turn according to the image if you can't tell
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yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany414 Posts
May 21 2010 19:38 GMT
#6
white's turn, no way she could win this lol. bitch is bullshitting you about her chess skill
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
May 21 2010 19:40 GMT
#7
definitely
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
May 21 2010 19:41 GMT
#8
Just push pawns and win.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:44:21
May 21 2010 19:43 GMT
#9
I like Rb5 to force the rook trade (..Ra8 Bd5 and nowhere to run), but there's honestly not much she can do no matter what you do. Black has zero advantages and opportunities in that position.
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
May 21 2010 19:43 GMT
#10
I won my state tourney in Florida a few years ago and although I am no super pro, I would say I am good enough to look at the game and say there is no way she can come back unless you like purposefully make mistakes one after another...
always tired -_-
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:48:12
May 21 2010 19:44 GMT
#11
You would have to screw up so unbelievably bad to lose that game, so no, she has no chance. Did you save the move list?

Edit: To answer your question, statistically, white wins a little more often than black. Whether or not white actually has a tangible advantage with the first move is a pretty controversial topic though.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
May 21 2010 19:45 GMT
#12
To those who say no to the poll, you forgot to read the word 'theoretically' in the question. A pawn can promote to a queen which should go a long way of winning. Assuming white dumps every piece into black's horse and knight.
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tYsopz
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway215 Posts
May 21 2010 19:45 GMT
#13
Only a power outage could save her.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:46 GMT
#14
if you move your bishop to d2 you can literally checkmate in as little as 10 moves
nothing she can do
kid is a liar
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bakesale
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:48:04
May 21 2010 19:47 GMT
#15
I think it's an obvious win for you, even with the slight advantage of white (for low-level players I think this advantage is negligible, for high level players it's something like a 54% advantage) you have a solid lead and she can't argue that the first-move advantage won it for you. She was just dodging the loss. However, I wouldn't bring this up again (if you want to remain friendly) without reason, it sounds like you'll have an angry woman on your hands if you do.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 21 2010 19:47 GMT
#16
On May 22 2010 04:45 tYsopz wrote:
Only a power outage could save her.

Lol.

On topic: no. You have too much stuff, so as long as you don't make errors...
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:48 GMT
#17
On May 22 2010 04:45 Badjas wrote:
To those who say no to the poll, you forgot to read the word 'theoretically' in the question. A pawn can promote to a queen which should go a long way of winning. Assuming white dumps every piece into black's horse and knight.


you are wrong
theoretically he can fuck up, sure, but if he plays perfect he literally can't lose. nothing she can do. she has to hope he fucks up.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 21 2010 19:49 GMT
#18
On May 22 2010 04:47 bakesale wrote:
I think it's an obvious win for you, even with the slight advantage of white (for low-level players I think this advantage is negligible, for high level players it's something like a 54% advantage) you have a solid lead and she can't argue that the first-move advantage won it for you. She was just dodging the loss. However, I wouldn't bring this up again (if you want to remain friendly) without reason, it sounds like you'll have an angry woman on your hands if you do.


SLIGHT ADVANTAGE? this is checkmate in 10 moves
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Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:52:44
May 21 2010 19:50 GMT
#19
Yo... take a shit on her. She obviously is arrogant enough to be like "w/e man i could've won".

She is literally demeaning you with her actions... dunno about you but I'd take offense to that.

edit:

Being white does have a slight advantage in chess. Although many openings have been devised to gain equality for both black/white.
C'est la vie...
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
May 21 2010 19:53 GMT
#20
I have zero idea how good I am when put against the chess community at large (could beat everyone in my family and class as a kid, was one of he better chess players in this club I was briefly in, got destroyed when I recently played a few very time-restricted matches online) but I think you would have had to make very careless mistakes out of frusteration/cockiness regardless of your opponents' skill. I think even the best of players could only stall an eventual loss here if you play competently.
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