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Ok so I hope this isn't some sort of breach in protocol. I've pretty much googled every possible combination of words to see about diagnosing the issue but they all come back with issues related to operating systems and I haven't made it that far yet.
Ok so here is the problem and I'll input my build if it is after I go through the issue. Basically I got everything hooked up properly as far as I can tell. I've checked everything over multiple times and what not. I go to turn on the comp and press the power button and it lights up and fans start for a split second then shut off and start a loop. It never boots up to the point of anything coming up on the monitor, it's literally on for like less than a second before it turns off. It'll keep doing this until I unplug it completely. Could this be a power supply issue (my case has had some faulty ones apparently, not many though). I'm at a loss right now, I've taken my GPU out to make sure it was causing issues with the iGPU on the i5 650 and taken everything out and put them back in etc etc. Still the exact same problem. If anyone has any suggestions I will love them forever (even if it doesn't work).
Intel i5 650 Dual Core Processor
Biostar TH55B HD Mobo
4GB Corsaid DDR3 1600 RAM
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 32mb cache
Raidmax Smilodon w/ 500Watt Power Supply
Radeon HD 5770 GPU
thanks pangshai
and xcetron what would my issue with the ram be? faulty, or inserted wrong? I know the Mobo supports DDR3 1600
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Did you put your ram sticks in the right slots? Check the motherboard manual to see.
Make sure you also plugged a 6 pin power cable into your video card.
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On the very limited info, all i can suggest is leaving only 1 Gb of RAM and removing the video card, connecting the video to the mobo onboard (if it has one, cba to look it up) and try booting then. If that doesnt work, theres probably some electrical issue (cant trust no-name power supply) or something is connected wrong. Make sure your PS has one 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connector for the video card. Check your proc mount, make sure RAM is properly inserted...maybe with more info i can help. GL
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Make sure a RAM DIMM is plugged into the second RAM slot from the CPU if you have one stick of RAM or if you have two sticks of RAM, make sure they are plugged into the 2nd and 4th RAM slots away from the CPU.
If that doesn't work, try to boot with just 1 stick of RAM.
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Well, here are a few ideas:
1) Did you put thermal paste on the CPU heatsink? (or did you leave the stock intel on there?) CPU might be overheating if it's not properly applied and shutting off to avoid damage to the hardware.
2) In the same vein, did you make SURE that all 4 clips of the stock Intel heatsink (if you're using that) are fully clipped into the motherboard? Often times the 3rd / 4th clips can be very stubborn and require a lot of force to get them all the way in. If they aren't all the way in, the heatsink might not be level on top of the CPU, causing bad heat transfer --> overheat --> see (1)
3) Make sure you've plugged in the extra 4-pin power plug on the motherboard near the CPU heatsink.
4) (this is the most likely one) Your power supply is either inadequate or just a lemon: try putting your PSU into a different computer and seeing if it will power it OK. If you have another PSU, try swapping it into this PC and see if you can get it to boot. One thing that you could try doing is removing the PSU and using a paperclip to force it to startup, and see if the PSU will run on its own without shutting off.
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My first 3 points are pretty obvious ones, but you'd be surprised how many people mess that stuff up, so it's worth triple checking.
As a general piece of advice, remove everything that isn't absolutely necessary for getting to the BIOS. This means unplug your hard drive (you don't need it to get to get to BIOS), and remove the graphics card (use integrated until you get it to POST).
You might also want to remove all of your RAM except for a single stick: I've had some PC builds where there was a weird issue where the mobo would not POST if it had too much RAM in it; it had to be started with just 1 stick and then the default settings changed in the BIOS.
If you still have trouble, you could remove the heatsink and check for bent pins on the motherboard's processor slot, but I wouldn't do that unless it's a last resort because then you'll destroy your thermal paste and need to clean / reapply it (plus it's a pain).
Not sure if any of this will help. My gut feeling is that it's most likely a power supply issue, and if not a PSU issue then a RAM issue. Good luck with it, I know how frustrating and nerve-racking these things can be.
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CPU overheating won't happen instantly :p
The 4 or 8 pin CPU power is fairly important though :<
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yeah i have them in 2 and 4. Took out 1 and tried it. The GPU is already out, I'm trying to get it to come on first then disable the iGPU in the Bios. It doesn't sound like the power supply fan is starting up at all. The Leds come on and the fans on the case and cpu start up for a quick sec. I guess I'll replace the power supply tomorrow and see what happens.
Thanks for the suggestions...I was just double checking the RAM as I got all the suggestions  .
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Is the power or reset button on your case stuck down usually buttons click you'd be surprised how many times people have come to me and this actually is their problem :D
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Remove everything, just leave 1 stick of ram and the cpu see if it boots up from there and work your way up. If it doesn't work the first time try the other stick of ram etc. trouble shooting is removing variables and going with what you know works, it's best done if you have another system that uses similar parts or diagnostic tools. I'd also remove all pins except for speaker and power button to the case.
Although Raidmax Smilodon w/ 500Watt Power Supply could easily be a bad psu raidmax is known for being shitty.
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Going to swap Power supplies with the computer I'm currently on and see if it works.
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shouldn't be power supply, its almost certainly RAM/mobo related if its erroring out like that without any messages, does your motherboard have a speaker or support an external speaker so you can get an error code? that would sum it up quickly
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it was in fact the power supply. went to a friends and got a spare to put it and it starts up fine. time to get it setup. thanks for all the help <3
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wow, odd because power supplies generally give completely other errors hmm well there goes my tech experience
generally when something does that it usually means a short and if its an immediate short its cpu or ram
oh well
happy you got it workin
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On May 14 2010 10:27 FragKrag wrote:
CPU overheating won't happen instantly :p
The 4 or 8 pin CPU power is fairly important though :<
Modern Quad-Cores and Dual Cores will overheat in seconds... even on boot up...
@OP
Do you have a motherboard speaker? Usually if there's problem with memory you'll get a few long beeps out of the speaker...
The heatsink is generally the problem in this kind of situation... Intel's pushpin heatsinks have a tendency to appear "attached" when they're not making good contact with the processor.
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On May 14 2010 10:27 FragKrag wrote:
CPU overheating won't happen instantly :p
The 4 or 8 pin CPU power is fairly important though :<
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On May 14 2010 13:12 Loser777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 10:27 FragKrag wrote:
CPU overheating won't happen instantly :p
The 4 or 8 pin CPU power is fairly important though :< Modern Quad-Cores and Dual Cores will overheat in seconds... even on boot up... @OP Do you have a motherboard speaker? Usually if there's problem with memory you'll get a few long beeps out of the speaker... The heatsink is generally the problem in this kind of situation... Intel's pushpin heatsinks have a tendency to appear "attached" when they're not making good contact with the processor.
Lol problem has already been solved read the thread when it's about support.
Cpus do overheat in seconds but that is without any heatsink, even if not fully engaged meaning loose or no thermal paste a heatsink will still function to some degree atleast get it past enough to post which his computer was not doing.
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On May 14 2010 13:16 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 13:12 Loser777 wrote:On May 14 2010 10:27 FragKrag wrote:
CPU overheating won't happen instantly :p
The 4 or 8 pin CPU power is fairly important though :< Modern Quad-Cores and Dual Cores will overheat in seconds... even on boot up... @OP Do you have a motherboard speaker? Usually if there's problem with memory you'll get a few long beeps out of the speaker... The heatsink is generally the problem in this kind of situation... Intel's pushpin heatsinks have a tendency to appear "attached" when they're not making good contact with the processor. Lol problem has already been solved read the thread when it's about support. Cpus do overheat in seconds but that is without any heatsink, even if not fully engaged meaning loose or no thermal paste a heatsink will still function to some degree atleast get it past enough to post which his computer was not doing.
Eh, that's possible on lower TDP CPUs, but my Q6600 cannot post without a heatsink FIRMLY attached.
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I've seen people get away with Phenom II X3s (which are much more susceptible to heat than any Intel CPU) that have heatsinks that are just thrown on as long as the fan is running.
As for his computer, his computer would boot for a split second; not nearly the amount of time it would for the CPU to overheat.
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On May 14 2010 13:20 Loser777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 13:16 semantics wrote:On May 14 2010 13:12 Loser777 wrote:On May 14 2010 10:27 FragKrag wrote:
CPU overheating won't happen instantly :p
The 4 or 8 pin CPU power is fairly important though :< Modern Quad-Cores and Dual Cores will overheat in seconds... even on boot up... @OP Do you have a motherboard speaker? Usually if there's problem with memory you'll get a few long beeps out of the speaker... The heatsink is generally the problem in this kind of situation... Intel's pushpin heatsinks have a tendency to appear "attached" when they're not making good contact with the processor. Lol problem has already been solved read the thread when it's about support. Cpus do overheat in seconds but that is without any heatsink, even if not fully engaged meaning loose or no thermal paste a heatsink will still function to some degree atleast get it past enough to post which his computer was not doing. Eh, that's possible on lower TDP CPUs, but my Q6600 cannot post without a heatsink FIRMLY attached.
firmly attached and sealed with thermal paste are completely different
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Modern CPU's(i3/5/7) don't overheat, they will shut themselves down before any permanent damage is done(usually). I accidentally left my h50 unplugged while putting in new RAM, and I didn't even realize this until a youtube video was SUPER choppy(which was after 10 minutes of being booted since I was testing the ram). Was running over 100*C and to this day I'm still 100% fine.
The lesson here is to never skimp on power supplies. Go with trusted brands such as Corsair(I think Seasonic is their OEM).
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